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    Posted: 18 Oct 10 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Nick Peters

Tim - that could almost have been written by me for the RS100 a year ago. The RS100 rules do not allow for swapping within a regatta or series either. So you are heading for exactly the same issue, are you not?
 
The added complication for all concerned is that there seems less difference between 8.4 and 10.2 over the course of varied sailing than one would have thought? Maybe you will find this for the D-One small rig - in a breeze it will almost certainly be faster for a given weight!
 
Time will sort this out - maybe they will be on one handicap? If that is how it goes then we will have created a very effective form of weight equalisation! For both our classes.
 
What is it you have a problem with in the short term?
 
 
Hi Nick,
This started by me saying I honestly couldn't tell which sail was which yesterday when I saw them, and it struck me that it may cause trouble.
I didnt mean to stir anything up, it was just an observation.
I guess the misunderstanding stems from previous postings where it mentions "choosing your weapon", it would appear that people are still a tad confused at handicap level at least....although you and Chris seem to have answered that.
 
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I think it is important not to confuse things further. 
 
A process was followed with the RYA which gives the opportunity to establish a PY for each RS100 rig.  A joint statement was developed and signed, clubs have been encouraged to return data for each rig separately.  We shouldn't now put that at risk by muddying the waters with suggestions of allowing rig swapping within a regatta or series. 


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Here we go Tim...differentiation:

All rigs should have 8.4 or 10.2 at the clew area - admittedly some do not and we were giving them out at the nationals - although far clearer as soon as you know is...8.4 foot length is shorter - clew is inside mainsheet and has a white clew swoosh. 10.2 clew is aft of mainsheet and has black clew swoosh. Yes, I know a race officer is not supposed to know that, which is why all sails have the numbering now.
 
While we are at it - the 7.4 has little roach, and a pink clew swoosh! Hard to miss.
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Hi Nick,
This started by me saying I honestly couldn't tell which sail was which yesterday when I saw them, and it struck me that it may cause trouble.
I didnt mean to stir anything up, it was just an observation.
I guess the misunderstanding stems from previous postings where it mentions "choosing your weapon", it would appear that people are still a tad confused at handicap level at least....although you and Chris seem to have answered that.
 
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Tim I'm not sure anyone thinks you are trying to cause any trouble.  But in fact you are like me a little confused and interested.  It doesn't matter to me what goes on in 100 class racing, but when it encroaches on my handicap racing it does.  Hence why i want to understand the mixed messages that are currently being posted here.
We all know the PY racing has its failing, but it needs to be controlled and made as fair as possible.  I suspect that (like most RS classes) most of the 100 guys will be racing in club handicap races.  Therefore IMHO there needs to be clear definition between sail/rig types and there needs to be a clear message about how the class is marketing itself.  Is it 3 boats with 3 PY's or 1 boat with a reduced PY to cater for all wind ranges?
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Originally posted by Nick Peters

Here we go Tim...differentiation:

All rigs should have 8.4 or 10.2 at the clew area - admittedly some do not and we were giving them out at the nationals - although far clearer as soon as you know is...8.4 foot length is shorter - clew is inside mainsheet and has a white clew swoosh. 10.2 clew is aft of mainsheet and has black clew swoosh. Yes, I know a race officer is not supposed to know that, which is why all sails have the numbering now.
 
While we are at it - the 7.4 has little roach, and a pink clew swoosh! Hard to miss.
Nick fair play for trying to sort it out, but from what i have seen so far the sail labelling is fairly small.  Has this changed?  As for the Swoosh well its a bit like one of those spot the difference pictures, i think it needs to be clearer (Well thats my opinion anyway)
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Originally posted by Nick Peters

Sorry, Captainslow, our mails crossed, but you can see, RS100 Class does not allow for swapping rigs within a regatta or series:
 
Whether thay end up with the same handicap or not depends on clubs and RYA. and the same applies to the D-One's new rig.
 
"Sounding as though we are making it up as we go along" is hardly fair unless you misinterprate rantings on a forum! Easily done...!
 
 
Thank you Nick for clarification, a 'pinch of salt' is indeed added to most views including mine on this forum and I would truly like to see the 100 class prosper further. But I do think its critical at this stage of success the class has been blessed with already due to hard work, great marketing and an excellent product it defines its roadmap now as I believe there is a certain amount of bewilderment out there with regards to the rig/class. This can only have a detrimental effect on future sales if there are even a handful of prospective clients waiting to see what happens before ordering or choosing their preferred class.
 
Personally I believe a seperate class within a class would be the way forward encouraging the better sailors into the class competing on more even turf. This would certainly be the best foundations to build on although maybe not the get rich quick scheme.
 
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" Seperate class within a class" as Captain Slow suggested is exactly how it is:
 
1. Seperate prizes and trophies for 10.2 and 8.4 at all championships and opens. All boats race together until such time as numbers allow otherwise.
2. An "overall" / "superchamp" would be nice - but at the moment he just seems to be the one who does the speech!)
3. Class rules have always been clear re changing rigs.
 
Because it is so easy to have 2 sails - all boats have the same mast - maybe 30% of owners have 2 sails - it can help maximise use of the boat - eg other members of the family or sailing the boat in conditions that would normally leave you ashore. Or it can help the guy who gains confidence - gains or loses weight - or changes venue. Just like Laser / Radial. Surely a benefit, not a confusion.
 
the handicap thing is seperate Merlinboy - whether they are same or wildly different does not change class rules......so for your club racing - different classes with probably different handicaps: - but that is not upto us as Mr Brace so perfectly puts it!
 
 
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Guys, can I just say that when things go well and you get it right, the RS100 is a real joy to sail.  I am not the best sailor by miles, but the feeling of the boat is fantastic - light, responsive, fast, fun, exhillerating and more - its hard to describe.  just sail and worry less
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Originally posted by turnturtle

class racing...


next weekend's forecast is looking good!  


plus Nationals 2011- dates launched:


http://tinyurl.com/38w2fo5

You realise that's Tuesday to Friday don't you?

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I am still having trouble with the board on my 100, the same trouble that ruined my nationals! Angry

Basically, no matter how tight i do up the screws on my centreboard brake i cannot get it to grip well enough to hold my board down!

My next plan is to add strips of duck tape to the slot in the area where it sits when the board is fully down so it grips well in that position.

Anyone else have any better ideas, just I am sick of having to tie it down.
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