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    Posted: 05 Jan 10 at 12:20pm
At the risk of reopening an old debate, I've just heard back from a friend who took their child to a homepath I suggested (I won't say "recommended" as I was unsure at the time, and told them as a last resort).

Their young daughter had near-constant painful cystitis for months, and the NHS doctor had said she would have to grow out of it as the antibiotic did nothing.

The 'magic hippy pills' from the homepath have cured it in a week! It can't be a placebo effect as you'd expect that from the NHS treatment too.

I still remain slightly unsure....but the evidence I have seen personally is mounting up...
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As a person who avoids pills as much as possible I have to say that the power of the mind over the illnesses & injuries of the body is massive.

For instance from my personal experence I suffered from a body / muscle memory problem this took the form of the site of old injuries being the place where new aches & strains "settled" because the muscles remembered an old injury the body stored them all in that one place & as such my lower back became a massive problem.

But then I found out that problem was body memory & what body memory is,So I made a mental decision & decided to move the "stress & strains" to a broken collar bone then to the end of my middle finger & then "flicked" them away ( the truth oddly enough ).

In total this took 6 months & for 25 years of good movement where I never consider the damage to my body when I do ANY sport or actialty that I want,If it looks like fun I`ll normally do it.

For instance I went motorcrossing for the first time in 20 odd years a couple of weeks ago  ( no real racing but 450cc bikes are pretty much on / off ) came about top thrid & most of my fellow riders were not nessiarly in the best of conditions in the morning I however took my 300 out the next day.

Like you I only consider it the next day & usually less then most people.I am not massively fit I would have a hard job running 500 meters without a rest,cup of tea & a sit down.

The problem still exists but to a much more workable degree however everybody is different & because I can do it doe`st mean that it will work for you.

Sounds very odd,unbelievable prehaps,but I believe in the power of the my mind as a healer of myself.

I`ll go stand in the "loony" corner now.

 
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As I think I said, many of the best selling "alternative" medicines are produced by companies owned by the big pharmacuetical conglomerates. Big pharma might not be saints, but they do fund a lot of research into alternative medicines on two counts:
A: as said, they sell a lot of vitamin pills...
B: they're always looking for things they can modify slightly, hopefuly make a bit more effective, and patent to stop anyone else making them for twenty years.

Also, why shouldn't "alternative" treatments be subject to the scrutiny that "conventional" medicines are subject to?
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Originally posted by Andymac

]Let me pose this question then; how many multi billion pound pharmacutical companies are going to fund research (and I'm sure they have the lions share in university sponsorship) into a possible alternative which could be the fraction of the price of their current products?


Oh good grief: that old chestnut. Really cheap remedies have two major advantages. The first is that they can be sold at truly astonishing profit margins, and the second is that there are an awful lot more people in the world than there are rich ones, so you can shift an awful lot of product at those astonishing margins.

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Originally posted by alstorer

Because they divert funds, even within the NHS, away from "real" medicine to give people a wishy-washy "alternative".

I accept that, especially with hayfever, as I well know, not all drugs are effective for all people with the same condition. Surely, though, it is better that tax money is spent on treatments that have some sort of proven effect, than ones that have, at best, annecdotal claims of working?

Maybe so, my point though is that anything that could work whether by placebo or otherwise ought to be considered, whether on not it can be 'scientifically' backed up.

Let me pose this question then; how many multi billion pound pharmacutical companies are going to fund research (and I'm sure they have the lions share in university sponsorship) into a possible alternative which could be the fraction of the price of their current products? Very much a self perpetuating arrangement I would imagine. Just stop and think what the yearly drug bill for the NHS currently is!
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Because they divert funds, even within the NHS, away from "real" medicine to give people a wishy-washy "alternative".

I accept that, especially with hayfever, as I well know, not all drugs are effective for all people with the same condition. Surely, though, it is better that tax money is spent on treatments that have some sort of proven effect, than ones that have, at best, annecdotal claims of working?
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 Well put Bert.

 I feel in some way responsible for sparking this debate on homeopathy. For my part, I would declare ambivilence.

It is worthwhile remembering that at one time many great minds thought the earth was flat! Whilst there is very little science to back up homeopathy, It would be better to keep an open mind. To paraphrase a couple of views;

Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by Rupert

  As for "herbal Remidies"...... dismissing them out of hand is a very narrow view point.


And the "placebo effect" is far wierder than you think. Far, far wierder. Far more powerful too.

Alstorer whilst dismissive, you appear to contradict your advocacy of 'scientific proof' by conceding the power of  'placebo'. If a homopathic remedy 'helps' someone along the way (even if the mechanism is not known) then why knock it? 
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You have to remember that it`s only the western world that deals with "proper" med`s & the rest of the poor world lives with the "old" ways.

Also the med`s that are produced today are usually devied from the natual product that came from somewhere deep in the far off places,covered in early morning mists,growing amoungest the goat droppings & dongey poo just outside some little mud hut in the homeopathic med cabinet called the veg plot.

Get out of your car,clear your nose with what ever works & enjoy the fresh air,go sailing!

Remember deep breaths in - out - in - out & Relax



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And your equally indepth study of homeopathy? Or was that off a website dissing anything it thought involved tiedye?
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I'll admit my BSc (Hons) is not in a medical science but I'm willing to bet a little scientific theory, you know chemical compositions, peer reviewed repeatable research etc might just have logded it'self away somewhere!! That and reading peer reviewed journals might just give me a basic understanding of the subject.

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