Enlighten me please!
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Topic: Enlighten me please!
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Subject: Enlighten me please!
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 8:32pm
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I bought Y&Y today, thinking I could use the luffing tactics in it to turn me into a super slick sailor! Sadly, it turned out all to be a load of greek, so can someone please explain this in english for me: We need to be sure that the luff is definitely taking us out of the danger zone. Boats behind may respond by copying our move, maintaining the status quo. In this case our options are: luff to send them to leeward; soak into a clear lane; gybe into a clear lane; or put up and shut up! Voila! If you can help you'd be a star! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 7:42am
Oh that's alright then - no one else has a CLUE!!!!!  ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 9:48am
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you can loose a lot of places and distance getting envolved in a luffing match with a boat ahead of behind you. I find the best stratagy is to choose if you want to go high or low on the next leg. use the bow wave off the boat infront to go the way you want. if you go low you must soak(go low) untill you get clear wind use the bow wave of the boat boat infront and only come back up to the other boats near the mark when the are struggling to get back down. if you go high the danger is the boat infront trys to defend there wind or the boat behind comes up with you. its best to go very high early so other boats think you are stupid to go that high and to follow you up will only result loosing places. if you time this well on there bow wave your increased speed will mean you have not lost VMG and have a clear lane to concentrate on going fast with out having to worry about boats luffing you. by doing it early you only end up 5-10 boat lengths high which is much less than a bunch of boats slowly edging higher to protect there wind. once you have got the other boats to settle for going straight or low make sure you dont get stuck to high by looking for good waves or gusts to get back down on. |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 2:14pm
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There you go, SeaFalcon... All clear now!! ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 6:01pm
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Yeah....... Ta, sten for your invaluable block of text! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 6:26pm
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well we can try it when we next go to chew in toppers or could try it in the cherub ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 6:36pm
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If you didn't know sten is Richard Stenhouse who went to the Olympics in 96 in the Finn and this year won the Musto Worlds in Spain so it's good advice. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 6:58pm
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How would you use the bow wave of the boat infront? ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 8:39pm
| Supposing you're overtaking something like an RS400 which kicks up a big wave system. You can come from leeward surfing up his stern wave till you're close to the transom. If you then bear away sharp and take a big pump off the stern wave you've got less than a boat length to gain till you're on his bow wave. This is still in his windshadow, but if you catch it right you can surf on it to drag yourself into clearish air and then you're past. If you're lucky when he sees you come up to his stern on his stern wave he'll think youre going for a windward pass and stuff a quick luff in, in which case you'll get through more easily. This works nicely inland on flat water, in big waves more complicated. |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 25 Aug 05 at 7:46am
I don't deny, it isn't good advice, but only if you can understand it! Sorry, but Jim C should really write the whole of Y&Y because I understand everything he's saying!  ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 25 Aug 05 at 7:54am
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IIRC there is a story of a small yacht surfing the bow/stern wave of a big yacht for hours on end gaining miles - not sure if it was the fastnet/ hobart of the RTW race racew; but it is something that does work - not for cats as we don't leave so much of a wake.... ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 25 Aug 05 at 8:05am
| In a yacht on a beam reach, you can ride the stern wave of a slightly bigger boat and gain. You need to be on the leeward wave because if you place yourself to windward, they will almost certainly luff for clear air. It needs to be something just a few feet longer because bigger than that will still pull away from you. It also needs to be a beam reach because that is when the generated wave system is largest. Since we tend to do windward/leewards these days, the scope for this trick is less than it used to be. |