What after toppers
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Topic: What after toppers
Posted By: shifts suck
Subject: What after toppers
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:08pm
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basically ive done all the topper squads (zone and national). But what next. what gives the best experience. What makes you smile as you come off the water? ------------- I hate sailing at ponds where its shifty but i still sail at the worst of all the ponds! |
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Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:36pm
heehee move up to a 200 or 29er with me!!! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 10:26pm
I went on to Crew a Dart 18 and a year later was helming  ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 1:45pm
Where do you sail than? I like ponds, it's never very far to the club house...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 2:51pm
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I would suggest the obvious next move from a Topper would be a Laser Radial. Take a look at www.laser.org.uk ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: shifts suck
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 4:59pm
------------- I hate sailing at ponds where its shifty but i still sail at the worst of all the ponds! |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 8:37pm
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B14 If your not too light!!!!!!!!
if you want good social life stuff and fun people, not too serious racing, go for a national 18 and get two other friends to sail with you! the social is pretty spectacular!!!! lol ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: shifts suck
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 12:11pm
------------- I hate sailing at ponds where its shifty but i still sail at the worst of all the ponds! |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:17pm
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29er then - they may b rya boats, but still fun. Why not sail with Pondling?!
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 27 Aug 05 at 8:30pm
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rs200 ------------- |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 28 Aug 05 at 7:41am
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Papercourt may be the tiniest patch of water raced on in the UK. It's certainly the smallest I've sailed on. Not really the place for a very quick boat. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 3:31pm
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I've sailed at Tamesis as well. Just once, as it happens:) I don't remember the river there as especially small, particularly since I've also sailed much further upriver (Cookham and Upper Thames). However my abiding memories of Tamesis are 1. It was a Merlin club and I was there doing a Merlin open but the launching slips were too narrow for Merlins and 2. we spent the entire race dodging rowing 8s and gin palaces apparently steered by gin drinkers. Actually I was wrong to say "Papercourt may be the tiniest patch of water raced on in the UK." That honour probably goes to Round Pond in Kensington Gardens. However, they only race model yachts. |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 5:34pm
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Redesmere Sc. is tiny, very shallow and surrounded by trees, far smaller than papercourt i think. i think the smallest Uk club is Gresford in North Wales ------------- |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 5:46pm
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I've not been to either of those but I've read Redesmere is half a mile long, which is a lot bigger than Papercourt. |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 6:20pm
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1/2 a mile long and about 50m wide! Plus you cant sail on 50% of the lake as it's too shallow ------------- |
Posted By: Mike278
Date Posted: 31 Aug 05 at 12:24pm
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There is nothing wrong with the club in leamington spa, i don't care if it is only 8 acres ------------- Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night. |
Posted By: alexdg
Date Posted: 19 Feb 06 at 9:30pm
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papercourt is about half a mile long!,yer crap wind tho, hm is that stephanie? or am i thinking o sum1 else ------------- |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 19 Feb 06 at 11:10pm
Stephanie?!?!  Have you been trying to mislead us, Stefan Lloyd??? ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 10:18am
I sailed an oppie on papercourt and felt chlostrophobic in that!
And then you get these really shallow parts that you always get stuck on
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 10:21am
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Any way back to thread Single or double handed? What do you weigh? Are you gonna keep doing opens? Small lake lots of tacking not much space! Assuming your just to big for toppers my choices would be a...drumroll please Byte CII or N12
------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 1:05pm
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what about the 4.7, there's almost no work involved in moving up from toppers into the smallest laser rig. allthough it stalls and doesn't move in extreme light winds (this years bloody mary for example). i sail 4.7 at hawley lake and we're about on a par with papercourt in terms of usual conditions (i.e light and shifty) ------------- |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 1:43pm
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4.7 or Radial, if you're heavy enough. maybe you can get away with being underweight on a very small, and windless, lake!
------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 2:59pm
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If ur up for a bit of work.... Get a tera hull, stick an RS300 sail on it, fix a trapeze, and an assy And you're away!!!! Alternatively, get a Radial, or a Europe, or a moth (but that would take a lot of getting used to). ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 5:18pm
How about a Cherub? 2 handed Not RYA selected Great fun Fleet full of students, therefore great social life Also: Very cheap to buy, and maintain. No one takes racing overly seriously You get to learn about boat design and building, aswel as racing. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 5:25pm
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other good things about the cherub, theyr'e very addictive!!! and you can sail them on any sized lake or the sea! i race my 1997 rules cherub on a 36 acre lake without much trouble. ------------- |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 5:34pm
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correct me if i'm wrong but tiny little shifty light wind not to mention shallow lakes are rubbish for skiff type boats like cherubs
ooohh i'm not even 4.7 height and i can sail radial at hawley. it wouldn't be too difficult at papercourt ------------- |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 8:01pm
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doesn't a 4.7 have a smaller sail than a topper?
------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 8:31pm
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Rs 200 our scouts got some and they're great boat to sail plus we manage to hold it down in a f5 on Bala even with a light crew ------------- Topper 43749 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 20 Feb 06 at 8:40pm
Yep, thats why you might as well just sail a radial if ur a lightweight. 4.7s don't have enough power upwind (and im 50kg!) and not enough power to get on a wave downwind when every other boat is. Also when you capsize it turns turtle really quickly. And there's not nearly as much racing as in Radials. ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: A Seabadger
Date Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:37pm
You can't really sail anything bigger then a Rs200 at Papercourt, its just not deep enough. But don't worry about turtling the 4.7 there, its not deep enough for that either.  ------------- I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every moment of it. |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 22 Feb 06 at 9:34am
I would have to reinterate the Byte CII. If you only weight 50 kgs a laser with any rig on is going to weigh a good 20 kgs more than you and you will have to pull it up the slip way as well as the actual phyiscs of sailing the boat. The CII's hull weight is only 45kgs with a rig weight of 8kgs, so it will be easier to handle both on and off the water. The rig will take you from 50 kgs up to 68kgs easily, in fat the world champ is 73kgs. You can set the rig to generate power in the light and if you do any opens it is easy to depower in a blow. Plus the rig wasn't designed in 1732 ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 22 Feb 06 at 9:35am
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ps. and the foils are shorter ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Delphina
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 10:17pm
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an RS Feva XL? my friend sails one of those at Papercourt Also i'm joining Papercourt for the winter so you might see me in my nice pink topper (even if it is perfecting the skill of upside down sailing ) with my friend who knows absolutely nothing about anything letalone how to controll a boat   !!! ------------- 
Topper 34062 Pico 7110 http://www.lancingsc.org.uk - LSC |
Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 5:28pm
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What about a Europe? Superb little thing and easy to power up and depower the rig for changing weather. Nice and light to launch too. ------------- Currently TBC! Previously Flying Dutchman K220 Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5 1961 5o5 Parker built K1305 Phantom K99 Europe K156 Unicorn K1065 Dart 18 5o5 Laser K5450 Enterp |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 Nov 06 at 8:34pm
| 29er or laser radial if you want 2 stay with the crowds or if not look into all the boats the boats in your weight range as theres quite alot to choose from! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 23 Nov 06 at 10:37pm
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I believe tonbridge sailing club is the smallest! I dont think its even 8 acres its that small! And id probably get a feva or somehting like that. probably not the best place for a 29er etc because you need space to bear away. Maybe best to get something with a daggerboard aswell? Or u could just move clubs? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 23 Nov 06 at 11:18pm
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I'm quite sure BLYM is smaller. Not sure on the dimensions, but on a windy day .. you have about 30 seconds side to side, and about a minute and a half tops end to end. Also .. was there ever an answer to this thread in the end? Did the thread starter decide upon a boat? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Sharky
Date Posted: 15 Dec 06 at 5:16pm
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Hey I would say go for a 29er, they are so much fun and are a fleet which is building quick. If it helps i have one up for sale. GBR 773 |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 15 Dec 06 at 11:26pm
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My kids went from toppers to 29er , had a great time , but quickly outgrew it (must be the porridge), but 29er experience has been invaluable . Youngest was 12 helmed and could handle it . ------------- |
Posted By: Sharky
Date Posted: 16 Dec 06 at 9:15am
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Yea i know there is a certain weight barrier, but I have been in them for over 5 years and still cant get enough!! |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 16 Dec 06 at 10:10am
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I sailed one for 6 months and found it boring, once your planing its the most stable boat ever..taking all the fun away. ON the other hand my younger brother has one and is racing at the very top of the fleet (euro's worlds ect) and he seems to love his, except when i fly past him downwind! ------------- |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 16 Dec 06 at 10:13am
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And to correct those earlier in the tread Gresford sc sails on the smallest lake, noycey will back me up he's seen it aswell ------------- |
Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 16 Dec 06 at 12:15pm
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Get yourself a 29er, it will set you up perfectly for many other classes including the 49er. Its a very compteitive fleet aswell and you will learn loads. Im starting to get fed up with the little kids flying past me!! ------------- Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club |
Posted By: Sharky
Date Posted: 18 Dec 06 at 2:57pm
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Well i have decided to remove a suit of sails from the sale of my boat and have consequently reduced the price. I still think that the 29er is the way forward!! GBR 773 |
Posted By: radial179102
Date Posted: 23 Dec 06 at 10:13pm
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I moved from my topper into a Radial and hated it. I just wasn't heavy
enough for it, and i wasn't going to grow any more, so I bought by
first Europe today, and I love it so much!!! If you don't want a
Doublehander or a "squaddie" boat, then the Europe is lovely,
especially seeing as they seem to be having a resurgence with new boats
being built in the UK now! Mine is a pretty good one that would be competetive at national and possibly worlds level and it was only £1500, with carbon mast, 3 sails and road base. So they are cheap too!!! But it really depends what you want to do with your sailing career. I chose the Europe by going through the A-Z guides in Y+Y, borrowed one off a friend, and eventually sold my laser and bought one. Try the same. People cant tell you what boat is right for you, so borrow some boats and have a play!! ------------- 
Villan is my Bitch ;) |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 24 Dec 06 at 1:31pm
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Sounds like you are enjoying it. The best way to choose a boat is to sail them!!! Its only only way you can find out, if you dont enjoy sailing it then there is no point in my opinion!
------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 24 Dec 06 at 7:13pm
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don't bother with a 29er - if your daddy's rich get a cherub built for you!! or if not snoop around for an old one and do it up!! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |