The cool wall
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Topic: The cool wall
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Subject: The cool wall
Date Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 11:38pm
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this months contentious topic is which boats are cool, and which are not? Just like on Top Gear boats are either: The fridge is reserved for Wally Yachts because they are the Aston DB9 of all things that sail, and I can say that cos this is my thread and so i get to be like Jeramy Clakson. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:36am
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some kite-free singlehanders
sub zero: Foiler Moths very cool: ICs, lowrider Moths cool: RS600, Contender, RS300 uncool: Finn, Laser (& Radial), Solo, Topper seriously uncool:Laser EPS, Blaze, Laser 4.7 |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 10:00am
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Unfortunately if you think anything called "Wally" can possibly be cool, you are evidently actually Richard Hammond. I am further forced to correct you and point out that Swans are the Aston Martin of yachts. |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 10:16am
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Sub Zero- Cherub Very Cool- 49er, 29er, 12 foot skiff's Cool- Int Moth's, Topper Uncool- Lasers (Chav's boats), Solo Seriously Uncool- Flying 15's, Topper Omega! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 10:30am
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Come on you've got it all wrong....
Sub zero - 'Sunbeam' Cool - 'Falmoth working boats' Uncool - All Skiffs Seriously uncool - "Sun Fish" ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 10:35am
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sub-zero = optimist, 12ft skiff, 505, moths, Int canoe very cool = Cherub, Musto SKiff, F16 cat, B14 cool = 9ers, RS800, fireball, N12, albacore uncool = 420, enterprise, bosun seriously uncool = rotomoulded muck, laser stratos, wanderer, big fat cruising keelboats |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 10:39am
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I see where you are going with this. What about XODs? How about keelboat helms who wear an "ironic" skipper's hat (as I've seen XOD helms do)? |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 11:04am
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sub-zero = Tornado, My new boat when it’s built, Foiler moths, Asym canoe, A class very cool = Cherub, Musto Sfiff, F16 cat, I14, 49er, 18 foot skiff, 29er cool = RS800, F18 cat, Hurricane 5.9 uncool = 420, 470-, enterprise, FF seriously uncool = Laser, Wander, Wayfarer ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 11:41am
I like it ..... at least there's someone out there that understands how the cool wall works!  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:21pm
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Whaay sounds like our cherub was a good investment, sadly not my topper aah well amazing racing circuit. ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:53pm
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No... No... No... there's nothing cool about anything
RS, it's like having a Porshe 911. Very good at there job, goes very quick but you are still a city brooker t**ser! that still thinks he can pick up fit girls.
Cool / Seriously cool boats are boat's that go very quick with out shouting about it. And that means Cherubs, 14's 12 footers e.t.c are not cool. But Ospreys are cool! You have to get into the Clarkson mind set to get it right on this thread. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:54pm
Re: Wally yachts: http://www.wally.com - www.wally.com think again ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:57pm
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Man I have just looked at the Wally link and those
yachts are very cool
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:02pm
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Baggys are still fast. The water in the bottom of them
is the slow bit. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:30pm
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Thinking has nothing to do with it. We are talking cool. Something called "Wally" cannot possiby be cool. "Come down to the marina and I'll show you my Wally". It's just not going to happen, is it? |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:48pm
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yeah, but you moor up in a marina in one of those and it will easilly be the best looking boat there, you dont need words with design like that! ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:50pm
Have to disagree strongly here, any 911RS is a seriously cool car, and only bought by serious drivers, not city brokers. www.total911.com (blatant plug!) |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 1:52pm
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OK, being new to all this I'm seriously conserned that I could make an
uncool choice of family boat. My shortlist is: Laser 2000 Topper Xenon RS Vision And please don't say Laser 2000 is the cool choice cos that's £2k more than the others 
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 2:03pm
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911RS; nice bit of kit If I had the spare cash I would still by an Atom - 30K(ish) for a loony machine
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Posted By: Peter Rhodes
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 2:13pm
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sub zero: open60 volvo 70 maxis all custom boats that arnt bodges merlin-rocket 505 Int 14 int Moth cool: 49er and all other skiffs Mirror optimist topper rs's un-cool: 470 420 Lasers topper topaz,spice etc Pico
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Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 2:15pm
| It seems that this forum is bias to Cherub sailors, so you're hardly gonna get a general consensus of what everyone thinks! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 2:16pm
Just don't get the car of the same name 
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 3:25pm
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I have to say the RS300 (by far the coolest RS) is a seriously cool boat. I have no grounds for this but thats how the wall works its just COOL! ------------- 
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 3:39pm
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505, Int Moth and Int 14 are sub zero without a doubt. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 3:51pm
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Agree 505 is!! -------------
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 3:52pm
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This will throw a cat amongst the pigeons but I have to say that development classes are NOT cool on the grounds that the are inveriably covered in string and people spend ages tinkering with them, this is NOT cool. Trying to decibe how all the bits of sring work and why they are there is like descibing the off side trap or a rotary engine, its not cool (you certainly wouldn't use it in conversation if you were on the pull!), its complicated and to the unenlightened its boring!! Simplity rules. Development classes can only become cool if they get simpler like the 18 footers have, where there is hardly any string, just pure speed. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 3:53pm
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Seriously uncool... Flying Fifteen Seriously cool.... Scorpion (in waves in a blow or just sat on shore gleaming in the sun) Just MHO of course.... Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: high-lander
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 4:01pm
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seriously un-cool = all RS boats. all of them. every single one. no exceptions. sub-zero = B14 (the cool* thing about my B14 is that it still has the old RS stickers on it) * i'm talking about post ironic retro vintage cool here.
that is all
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 4:19pm
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Face it guys, dinghies aren't cool. They are uncomfortable, you have to wear stupid wetsuits half the time, and worst of all, there are no cupholders. I seriously doubt many women will be impressed to hear you sail dinghies, at least not the kind of women that sub-zero cool boys hanker after. However all is not lost. You don't have to resort to racing a floating caravan. What you need is one of these. The professional crew will even let you helm, since it is an owner-driver class. You may however need to up your career aspirations to pay for it.
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 4:46pm
| I never said I was a sub-zero cool boy myself. In fact I'm very far from that. But I can tell you a story about the kind of woman I was referring to. We were sailing in Cowes Week and after racing, came alongside a gin-palace, on which a woman in bikini and shades was topping up her already faultless tan, albeit she looked a little uncomfortable on the hard deck. One of our crew (a woman, as it happens) threw a warp in her direction and asked if she could secure it. We were blanked completely; this event was not happening. Handling ropes was evidently not part of her idea of the Cowes Week experience. |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 5:06pm
I have to disagree here totally, i own a moth, yes i kno it's cool guys, no telling needed, but there is not "loads" of string, jsut the three basic sail controls, the mainsheet and a tiller extension! The foils (if you have them) control themselves, with the helm controlling the rudder pith through the tiller extension, so there are no extra bits of rope any where.... Most other ddevelopment boats are as simplistic as possible nowadays so i think that statement is ill founded perhaps ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 5:26pm
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Yes, you just reiterated my point, less string, simple boat, therefore cool. Moths are cool, no doubt. But you look into some boats and its like a bomb went off in a string factory, its a mess. The other one is this, try and explain something like the T-foil rudders on I14s and still sound cool at the end of it. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 5:26pm
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Just have to add that the point of my last new N12 was having all the
string hidden - I still had all the toys to play with, its just no one
could figure out where they went! Sub zero - 12, 14, 18, Moth, Formula 40 Very Cool - N12, Merlin (in a Bentley kind of way - lots of shiny wood...), Cherub Cool - 49er, MPS, RS600 uncool - 420, oppie, topper, Fireball Seriously uncool - Rotomoulding... This should be a poll really, vote for what you like, as cool as you like and see what the results are! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 5:31pm
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So, let's see if I've got this right.
I have to forget any notions of buying a Vision, LS2000 etc and instead build my own superlight foiling Moth from wood with no ropes, not wear a wetsuit or lifejacket and give up any hope of getting off with horny chicks on yachts. Right? If so, I've off to cut down some mahogony trees and start carving. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 6:40pm
Maybe exaggerating a bit there Phil? The Moths certainly don't have an excess of string, and my Cherub has far less string than an RS400, whereas a lot of the none SMOD one designs are well up there in the string stakes - take a look at an ex Olympic FD for instance. So how much excess string has this one got? 
Well only if you subscribe to that sort of cool: personally for instance I wouldn't have the slightest interest in any of the cars Mr Clarkson calls cool: my priorities are:- 1) Has it got a towbar 2) Can I buy it for under 200 quid 3) Can I run it for a couple of years spending b***r all money. I must admit after sailing Cherubs for years and rather enjoying the fact that they were deeply unfashionable and being regarded as weird for sailing them I find the thought of them being described as cool rather disturbing. |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 7:02pm
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Jim, my comments were partly in the vein of devils advocate, trying to get people to justify why boats are cool (and I guess most development classes are getting simpler, moths and cherubs especially, the I14s, merlins and 12s are still silly tho, why make a boat out of carbon, only to fill it with lead?!?). My point about development classes was not only the string factor but also some of the level of detail that can go in search of that extra bit of speed, prime example being IACC. These boats are just not cool, not big, not clever, and too far removed from the rest of us. The old J-class' and 12meters are far, far cooler. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 7:37pm
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Seriously Uncool: GP14, Wayfarer, Plastic Fantastics Uncool: Cherubs (it seems that everyone on this forum has one) Cool: RS600, 29er Seriously Cool: Skiffs, RS800 and an international moth ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 7:42pm
Finally! Someone I agree with! |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 7:43pm
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Warning!!!!: Many of the coments below are in part collected form everyones writings across the whole forum and are writen to provoke reaction and are not nesisarily the views of anyone, especially me!! A quick look through the ranges of the big 4 of SMOD (monos): LDC
Topper
Laser
Ovington
(ducking for cover ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
)Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 8:10pm
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Does it really matter whether a boat is cool or not, but rather what
you enjoy sailing? I've actually been known to ghave a good time in an
oppie, n i'm 14, and about twice the size of most oppie sailors i know.
Fine i may be biased as the only modern-ish boat i've sailed is a 29er
and that was just 1/2 hour crewing to see what it was like, but i still
think that every1 is biased in this, and will think that their boat is
the coolest. Having said this... 29ers:cool. Picos:NOT cool.
Mirrors:COOL or i think they are how many 11 ft boats are there with
spinnaker that are multi-purpose and have millionds of people learning
in them and racing them? Topper:cool, as anyone can sail them them and
their gr8 4 beginners. There, see what i've started now...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 8:16pm
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That's what makes them desperately uncool. It's not the same as good boat/bad boat. I suspect this debate is a bit of a guy thing. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 8:21pm
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Hey i sail a Cherub in the context of this thread ( which everyone seems
to be taking to seriously, unlike Mr Clarkson does ) The Cherub is uncool. You could never say a Renault Clio Turbo painted with two tone metalic paint, staged head, sports exhaust, low profile Pirelles, Chipped and stripped for tack days was even close to being cool. well neither is a Cherub! These on the other hand are Cool....
  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 9:05pm
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This retro Cherub is cool. Looks bloody freezing!
------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 9:14pm
Phil...I'm totally agreeing with everything there!!!  ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 7:28am
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Whoah! How can a boat be cool with a wrought-iron hanging basket bracket
nailed to the transom? 
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 8:09am
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Cherub on wheels. Like the Cherub, at least its owner thinks its cool. ------------- 
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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 8:12am
I assume that's a foiling Cherub judging by the wing on the back.
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Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:51am
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haaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa my friend wants to paint her boat pink burbury
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 10:58am
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In a 12 what lead class rules are 45kgs with fittings
------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 12:30pm
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In order not to obsolete the existing fleet. You don't get 90 boats at Salcombe Merlin Week if a hull is obsolete after one or two seasons. It's a question of how fast you reduce the weight limit. Merlins and (AFAIK) 12s are "restricted classes" not "development classes". The rate of change is controlled; for Merlins the weight limit will be progressively lowered (don't know about 12s). I14 is a development class and the ethos is different. |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 1:08pm
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Also, making a light boat and filling it with lead is fast. Because you can choose where to put the lead. Probably in the middle, which will be close to the CofG, therefore reducing pitching, ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 1:11pm
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Where's Mr Clarkson. You need to bring this thread back to order!! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 1:49pm
| No, starting a thread is like having a baby. You can influence its formative years but after a while, its life is its own. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 4:10pm
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OK so about now your thread is chucking up on the living room floor after
downing a bottle of woodpecker, sucking the life out of some ramdom girls neck and making a fag out of bannan skins? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 4:35pm
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Nuffin wrong with that. Sounds like a perfect weekend to me. ( oh do I remember those banana skin fags Random girls are the best -------------
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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 4:38pm
 ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 8:42pm
hang on were did very cool come from and i think u ment 18ft skiff not 12 cus that a cherub ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 8:52pm
wow wow wow they are seriously uncool cus thats the boat that everyone has got because they cant afford anything els (911) ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:06pm
THAT SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO ITHER GET A PAINT JOB OR BE BURNT ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:15pm
Actually, there are 12ft skiffs. And they are defo much cooler than Cherubs as they have umlimited sail. See http://www.skiff.org.au - http://www.skiff.org.au for more info. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 10:18pm
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B14s are definately chilly ------------- Steve |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 11:06pm
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is this double ( or half ) cool?
a moth with a very cool paintjob! and even a good image name. http://www.int-moth.org.uk/Photos/jpgs/ChavMoths.jpg 
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 11:24pm
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Yeah i assure you i meant 12 foot skiffs not 18's. Ed search for 12 fot skiffs and you will see they are absolutely awesome, a damn site better than cherubs! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 1:35pm
hey wave rider you've got one, stick up for it!
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 8:20pm
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yeah easy now mate, just cos you're part of the class doesn't mean you can start dissing them
what you have said may well be true but unless you'd noticed there
aren't an abundance of 12's in british waters at the moment so we'll
have to make do with the cherubs for now!
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 21 Aug 05 at 8:25pm
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ye i know that but the 18ft is a bit cooler than the 12ft and in my head the cherub is a nice 12ft skiff. oi frank less of the dissing or u can go and get shars in a 12ft skiff (the real 1) ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 10:56am
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ooooooooooooooh dear! ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 10:58am
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i dont think suit's sute a baby looks like a bloody monkey ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 11:12am
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A horrible photo. Truly dreadful. |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 11:17am
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it looks like mini-me in austin powers...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 1:36pm
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I think you guys are gettin the cool wall all wrong.
As the Cherub is SERIOUSLY UNCOOL, as if they were a car they would be a pimped up Saxo. I think a sub zero boat is an RS300. There are proper cool. ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 5:47pm
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wow wow wow any rs is like a porche ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 5:52pm
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I assume that is a joke..... ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 5:56pm
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people joke about all kinds of things these days ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 6:02pm
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What you have to rememeber is the difference between a good boat and a cool boat. RS300 is not the best boat in the world but its cool. The 29er is a great boat but its just not cool. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 6:23pm
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But isn't the oppy seriously sub-zero?! Hahahaha....... ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:06pm
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Oppies are bad even too small for 6 year olds. They kill your knees,
your head, and you end up sitting in muddy water, you either sail them
bow down or stern down as they won't balance (with me in them anyway),
and generally they are horrid boats especially when you have to lift
them onto racks with not enough volunteers. My private rant... ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:32pm
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Go for it Hannah, we're all ears! (Yeah, I know what you mean, I swear it puts little kids off sailing, not encourage them!) ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:33pm
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i agree but i have only sailed one once (long enough to get a good idea what they are like) they are not the best boats in the world. ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:43pm
| I first sailed an Oppie on my DI course.. was quite ironic since we'd been sailing 2000s, 3000s and 400s the day before! It was quite entertaining though, seeing about 10 trainee instructors all trying to beat each other in oppies with no wind! My weight counted against me in that race.. |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:46pm
Awwwwwww, I'm sure it was a fault with the boat, not you!  ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:48pm
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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww so u lost the race???? ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 9:25pm
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I still think the cherub is a seriously cool boat, given its current status, they are like the Caterham 7 of the boat world, can be bult from kit, or off the shelf, disguise their potential horsepower and the well maintained ones have this subtle beauty about them on and off the water. Aswell as being a modern classic in many ways ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 9:34pm
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The churub i'm afraid, which is a really good boat is not cool as it is all that everyone ever talks about, and this judging by the rules of the cool wall, makes it uncool as everyone has one. If you look on the top gear cool wall there are really good cars which are uncool cause everyone wants one.
Also OPPIES ARE USELESS!!! ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 9:36pm
erm.. mighta done won most of the races for the rest of the fortnight though! |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 9:52pm
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OPPIES ARE SUB ZERO! ther are two reasons for this one because they are and 2 because i used to race them! ------------- |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 8:10am
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Check you stu, glad to see you're sticking up for the worst boats ever!
------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 3:30pm
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I've looked at this and used the following idea of what must be cool;
Sub Zero- 12'skiff, International Canoe Very Cool- I14, 16',18' skiff, UK cherub,Foiling international moth Cool- B14 (since the new sail rules), 49er,aust Cherub, NS14, MG14, J24 Uncool- Laser, Laser 2, Topper Seriously Uncool- 29er, 59er, Tasar ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 5:11pm
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finally, someone with a voice of reason. I totally agree with all
you've said there. But i'd add the 505 to sub zero too just
because they are incredible boats.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 5:14pm
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back to your comment jpbuzz "cherubs are uncool as everyone has one" is
a bit of an odd one really. It may be that a large number of people on
this forum have cherubs, but on the grand scale they are actually quite
illusive and rare which is partly why people talk about them so much.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 5:39pm
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well put tim! ------------- |
Posted By: Femto
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 5:47pm
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Quetion is though, how cool would you look sailing
many of the boats discussed here?! I'd rate the Rs600 as pretty damn
cool, but its difficalt to look cool sat on the centre baord at a gybe
mark!! oh well eh?
------------- RS600 717, RS400 870 Netley SC Kerr 11.3 (Pier View YC) |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 5:58pm
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B14 has to look cool with the kite up both guys out on the wings, flying through the waves!!!! ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:23pm
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Cool: B14
Anything made by topper. |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:27pm
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oi my topper is made by topper and that goes like sh1t of a shovel (in a breeze) ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:29pm
Oh well, that's quite another matter. I don't look cool no matter what I sail. On the other hand I can think of one very talented sailor I know who looks cool and stylish sailing a Topper... |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:29pm
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um...if you say so!!! toppers....hmm...slow and uncool ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:29pm
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Tim back to your point that a cherub is rare i agree as there are only 2 at my club ( i being whaam) and whenever i have seen them out on the water i do think they look like a really good boat but the way i see the cool wall is not about the performance of a boat but as this forum seems to be run by cherub owners i am probabley living on a knife edge by saying they are not cool. I will probabley be persuaded otherwise if taken for a ride in one ( hint to wave rider, ginger_69 and seafalcon). ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:32pm
Oh that's easy, in my case none of them in any circumstances. However I know of one highly talented sailor at my club who can look cool and stylish sailing a Topper... |
Posted By: Ginger_69
Date Posted: 23 Aug 05 at 7:37pm
well we might be able to queze you on our list of people to have a go ------------- Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |