Live tracking
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Topic: Live tracking
Posted By: rodney
Subject: Live tracking
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 11:30am
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I am following the Finn Gold Cup in Falmouth. The live tracking and tweets really do give a good idea of what is hapenning in real time. Technology really has made it possible to get instant results. Gone are the days of waiting for weeks for the Y&Y event reports. http://www.tractrac.com/index.php?page=eventpage&id=210 - http://www.tractrac.com/index.php?page=eventpage&id=210 https://twitter.com/ - |
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Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 11:44am
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be useful to track grf so that they can find the v-twin as it floats towards Norway upside down with him sat on the bottom if it
if I had proper internet access at work rather than my phone id probably follow it. nice to see what's happening on the water at the time its happening. good if you could hook it up to nice graphics like the ac45's. ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 11:49am
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it is working really well - |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 11:49am
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Is tracking data available in the event of a protest?
Potentially not entirely feasible (at the moment) at smaller venues due to poor broadband connections in rural area?
I wonder what the costs involved are? Seems you have to request a specific quote, I wonder what the ballpark figures for 25, 50 and 100 boat events are?
Anyway, "waiting week for the Y&Y reports" should have long been a thing of the past as it is- if you've got an on-the-ball media set up you should be getting daily reports on your class/event website ASAP after sailing and emailed to Mark to on the Y&Y website. Any delays are now wholly the fault of the class/event... but it's still nice to have that round up in the monthly magazine ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:16pm
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Sorry! It wasn't a dig at anyone but I do remember the days when Y&Y was, almost, the only place for good information on events with the occasional reports in the Telegraph. Now we have the luxury of getting very up-to-date information from Y&Y online and other live sites. It's just that even 10 years ago it would have been hard to imagine that we could follow the race as it happens. I am hoping that, in the not too distant future, that the costs involved in this technology will come down to a realistic level so that most major regattas can be covered in this way. Maybe even Mark could host the tracking on this site???
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:25pm
Live tracking? With Finns? Isn't that a contradiction in terms? ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:26pm
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well Ben of the undead is winning right now |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:28pm
Ooo I like that one   ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:29pm
As they say Graeme 'don't knock it until you've tried it'. I would be more than happy to push you off the shore in a Finn one day ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:33pm
FFS Graeme... are you bored or is it just lunchtime  |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:34pm
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I'm firewalled... Blub. And have I mentioned I miss my Finn... Blub some more ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:38pm
I can't help you with the firewall but!!!!!! ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 12:52pm
Yep, it's both... ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 2:10pm
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Very impressive. Replayed race 5. Interesting to watch how many more changes of angle there are on Ben's boat. And how often he gets more speed than the boat a round him.
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 2:40pm
| Watching live is like watching paint dry but the speeded up replays are quite interesting |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 2:49pm
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I can see it as a fantastic training aid, and pundits review tool. However as an alternative to a piece of glossy reporting... sorry no, I like the great words and big pictures the Finn media team already provide to sites like this and I'm happy to wait for them. I guess as long as the quality of the other media isn't affected by 'instant technology' then fair enough, it appeals to some, so no harm in it. If it were televised on a live stream then I'd watch it, I sat through the last AC on YouTube and enjoyed it, even though it was hardly a thrilling set of races (R2 start aside when Spithall stuck Oracle into irons), but little graphics of annotated boats reminiscent of a ZX Spectrum video game... no thanks, not as a reporting medium.
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 4:50pm
I think it's different if you know all of the sailors and their skill levels..... ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 4:53pm
I have enjoyed following the strategies and tactics and. of course, I am interested in seeing who is doing what. I do, however, agree that there is no substitute for good reporting and I guess that we are lucky to have Robert Deaves doing that for the Finns ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 5:02pm
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Yes Rodney the media output is very strong from the class. I can see this tracking has more appeal for Finn sailors who maybe can't make it, though I'm sure there's a double-edged sword, it could be a frustrating reminder of not enough sailing and too much work!
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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 8:43pm
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Have to say - I am super impressed with Ben's performance 6 races in and 10 points ahead of Ed (a former Gold cup winner himself) At the moment this is not so much a regatta as a demoralisation of the opposition while giving them an education ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 15 May 12 at 10:43pm
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though I guess he hopes those without GBR on their sail don't learn very much from the hiding...
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Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 11:46am
| I'd not seen this before - it is seriously addictive! Don't tell the boss..... |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 12:09pm
 looking wild today The video is of Al Burrell (2nd in last year's Finn World Masters with over 300 entries) in the race 7 still running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78-PumvyO0s&feature=youtu.be&a - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78-PumvyO0s&feature=youtu.be&a 
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Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 12:13pm
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Ainslie won again, Wright 3rd. I'm going to get no work done today!
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 12:24pm
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Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 12:35pm
| No time to reply, the 3 minute gun has just gone for race 2..... |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 12:48pm
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I hate you all, I can't watch it at work... ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:01pm
 Time to break the beer out!------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:31pm
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I couldn't get it to open at home, but here at work, where I should be proof reading a magazine, it is working just fine. Unlike me...
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:33pm
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Finns now travelling at between 11 and 15.2 knots :) ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:43pm
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And he's done it again, taking out a shedload of distance at one point to take the lead. What happened to Ed Wright in that one?
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:46pm
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Another win for Ben.
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 1:51pm
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He is making a top quality fleet look pretty average ... he is incredible. The best sailor ever to walk the planet ...
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Posted By: fantasia
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:09pm
| Tractrac gives fantastic coverage of the live sailing, you can almost feel the windshifts as they tack. I am wasting a lot of work time following this and listening to the test match at the same time. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:12pm
Not yet, but if he is as successful in other branches of the sport over the next 30 years, then he would have to be considered! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:16pm
Ed capsized at the gybe  Shame as he had nice lead at the time......------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:17pm
Who is your top 3 then? Ben's already done quite a bit outside of the Olympics
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:21pm
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how do you zoom in? ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:27pm
Click the + icon just to the right of the A located on the left of the screen ... the icon to the right of that is the - zoom
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Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:35pm
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Watching Mr Ainslie's boat speed and it's consistently higher than everybody else upwind in the current race - amazing.
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:48pm
Still looking a bit bumpy!!
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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 2:59pm
| Thought Ben had capsized upwind as he fell right back, but now 150m in the lead...rivetting watching |
Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 3:11pm
| Ben finished 1:03 in front. |
Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 3:12pm
I think Rita needs a dope test ------------- |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 3:14pm
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Ed wright did something strange on that last downwind, may have filled up.
lost 2nd place. Still another great day for GBR. Thanks for the help with the zoom. Regards Gordon ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 3:47pm
Barring protests I think BA has got Gold and EW Silver regardless of the medal race.  There is only the Medal race for the top 10 and the final race for the rest scheduled for tomorrow and I make Ben's total 10 points, Ed's 30 and everyone else over 50. |
Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 3:49pm
| PS I hope this tracking is going to be available in the Olympics. |
Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 4:06pm
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I was getting very excited on the first leg of the second race watching my mate John Mackie pulling out a big lead on the rest of the fleet going higher and faster ................. then it twigged that he may have been in a rib
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Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 4:08pm
Yes and half way up the first beat he was 80m behind the leaders - so that's a gain of over 400m during the race. That's frightening (for everyone else)  ------------- http://www.wrpclothing.co.uk">
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 4:53pm
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http://www.falmouthfinnfestival.com/goldcup-results/C1 - http://www.falmouthfinnfestival.com/goldcup-results/C1
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Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 4:57pm
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Ed Wright has sailed well and yet he's still 20 points behind! I wonder what would have happened if Giles Scott had been there?
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 5:04pm
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Same thought occurred to me Ted! ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 5:12pm
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For anyone interested. Friday 18th May Medal race and final race First warning signal 1055 http://www.tractrac.com/index.php?page=eventpage&id=210 - http://www.tractrac.com/index.php?page=eventpage&id=210
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 7:36pm
Just how is that a waste of time?
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 8:20pm
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For my interest who will be following the Finn Gold Cup medal race live tomorrow? Don't be shy, even if you don't normally post here please let me know, even grf could own up!!!!!!!!!! ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 9:10pm
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I would if I wasn't in exam quarantine... ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 9:27pm
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Yup definitely ..... It's been quite an event. Finn still the best boat to sail IMHO ..... Why hasn't everyone got one. ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 9:27pm
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If I can get to a computer I will be.
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Posted By: timeintheboat
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 10:23pm
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The day 5 vid is up on the Finn Channel. Definitely a day to take your bicycle clips out with you. ------------- Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 17 May 12 at 10:38pm
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even more live tomorrow for the Finn Gold Cup The medal
race will feature GoPro stern cameras on each of the 10 boats, so hopefully by
the end of the day we will have a idea what it take to be a world class Finn
sailor. ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 8:10am
 Because some of us are sane? ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 9:03am
FTFY :) ------------- http://www.wrpclothing.co.uk">
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 9:06am
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Because some of us are sane? [/QUOTE]
Really? You mean that there is more than one sane person on the forums? To think, I thought I was the only sane person here and I sail a Finn ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 9:28am
| Yesterday's racing sounded pretty amazing. Is there any film of it anywhere? Link? |
Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 9:34am
| Have a look on Y&Y home page and follow the link to the report. Youtube vid is embedded in there. |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 9:41am
| Found it thanks. It wasn't there when I looked last night. |
Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:35am
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So today will Ben and Ed just yacht round at the back of the medal race and have a laugh or will they both go for the win to rub it in?
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:40am
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Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:46am
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BA will be aiming for total and utter domination of the class so when they meet at the olympics the others will already know what's going to happen.
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:48am
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https://twitter.com/#!/Finn_Class - Heading out for medal race. Light winds. Grey. But dry so far. ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:53am
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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 10:54am
Yep it's light! mark Andrews preparing just now! Note the camera on the back . ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:01am
| The tracking dosn't seem to be working :-( |
Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:06am
I'm hoping there's no link as the start has been delayed and they'll put the link up soon.  ------------- http://www.wrpclothing.co.uk">
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:06am
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Going now ... |
Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:10am
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... and we're back :) ------------- http://www.wrpclothing.co.uk">
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Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:11am
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is there any live video? |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:14am
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The line was set 3 minutes ago. I think the on board camera shots will be published later. ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: tedm
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:15am
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looks a short course - 1km to the mark. ------------- http://www.wrpclothing.co.uk">
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:15am
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No .... comentry via the live feed would be nice ... this twitter feed is coming off the committee boat @1FCG2012Apparently his accountant just called
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:16am
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don't think so. The live tracking's good, but I can't help but feel that the next big break through we're waiting on is minature streaming cameras- units the size of go-pros (or ATCs!) that we can watch live. At the moment the batteries and powerful enough transimmters preclude this- even for the AC series I'm pretty sure the live helmet cams are accomponied by a backpack unit, that's feeding to a largeish boat mounted unit that also broadcasts the mounted cameras. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:17am
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am I seeing them move the course buoys on the tracker? |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:18am
| what's ainslie doing upwind before the start... something's afoot. |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:21am
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think they are still setting the course |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:22am
| theyre off |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:26am
| Ainslie teased them into thinking he was going pin, spread the cluster a bit and came back for a perfect first ranker... hope he gets the header out there on the port hand side. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:27am
| Guess who's winning ... |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:28am
| Looks to be pretty shifty |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:28am
| the Polish guy just got a cheeky lift on starboard... |
Posted By: timeintheboat
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:28am
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Hmmm work seems to block the streaming of the live feed of the tracker - so this forum is as nears as I'll get to a live commentary
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:30am
| Must be abandoned |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:31am
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Wind down to 3 knots. Race abandoned
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Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:31am
| Yeah back for another go, wind under 3knts |
Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:31am
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yes but why? too late for a general recall? |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:33am
| under three knots... they were doing 4 knots upwind. #FinnsareNOTslow |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:36am
Did you guys miss this post? ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:36am
| it's more fun to watch live Rodney |
Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:36am
Maybe the tide? ------------- Rodney Cobb Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:37am
| Is this the trouble with live sailing .... the wind never turns up ... |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 18 May 12 at 11:37am
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what's tide? Pondmonkey
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