New boat? For a heavy weight.
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Topic: New boat? For a heavy weight.
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Subject: New boat? For a heavy weight.
Date Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 7:59pm
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Hi folks, Quite new to the forum and looking for advise (i've used the search tool unsparingly). I've been sailing since I was 8, now 16 and currently own a laser pico (its our family boat that we grew up with, although I'm the only one that sails now). Along with sailing the pico I've spent time in fevas both double handed and singlehanded with the kite, as well as Laser 2000s, lasers and toppers. I'm a big guy at about 6'2/3 and approx 110kgs, and the pico is a kids boat really, although above 20knts of wind it can be good fun. I'm interested in the next step up something faster, I'm quite interested in the contender but i'm really open to suggestions. Oh and I'm looking for a singlehander. I sail in the Firth of Forth so plenty of open water, and my budget including selling the pico is about £1500 although at a push I could probably scrape together £2000, I'm also prepared to wait/wait till the end of the season when more boats become available. Cheers Al |
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:03pm
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At your size I reckon you need a finn!
110kgs and 6ft 2" at 16? Blimey!!!!! |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:23pm
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Yeah I have looked at the Finn, although they tend to be pretty expensive. I'm tiny compared to my twin brother who's a 6'5, massively chunky rower. But thanks for the suggestion
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Posted By: Wee Man
Date Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:56pm
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Welcome,
What about a Phantom? ------------- Nacra Infusion F18 |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 9:30pm
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Buy a vareo and have some fun at your weight when i was sailing mine i was 6ft3" and 95 kgs and could handle anything thrown at it and had great fun ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 4:51am
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Megabyte. Like a laser but without the vices, perfect for your weight and height, good py, lovely boat to sail. Might well be selling mine soon as I'm very underweight for it. Within your price range, pm me if you're interested. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 8:03am
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I am availability of boats in Scotland might be an issue. I would say a Contender would be good.
The Megabyte will be hard to find where you are so what about a Laser with a 8.1 rig? ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 4:14pm
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Thanks for all the replies so far, I hadn't really looked at the megabyte before but it looks pretty nice although as Contender443 says finding boats anywhere near Scotland (There's a limit to how far I can persuade my Dad to drive to pick up a boat) can be a challenge. I really do like the look of the contender, giving me something of a challenge with having the trapeze and probably improving my swimming technique as well, although if I'm honnest if its not wet its not fun! I did worry about my weight in a contender though, I mean I'm really not all that bothered about being "Competitive" but from what I've read 100 really seems to be the upper limit of the contender, although anyone that could tell me otherwise would be good to hear! And also at 6'2 and still growing I'm slightly concerned about boom height but the main thing was the weight and whether I was a sailable weight for it, I'm more interested about having fun, than winning races! The laser with the 8.1 not sure I'm convinced that I want to be trapped in a laser although it may be the most logical/sensible choice.
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 5:02pm
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Vareo or Phantom... although Phantom might struggle on price. Other options- if you're sea based, RS300 ------------- |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 8:02pm
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There's a gentleman on an adjacent forum who is developing a boat just for you:-
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7493&title=v-twin - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7493&title=v-twin
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 8:12pm
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Without being rude, it will depend little on where the weight is situated. If it is all muscle in the shoulders, then you won't be getting any lighter, but if there is a fair amount a little less solid and further south, then sailing a Contender regularly (and swimming after it a lot) may well find you loosing a few kilos in a hurry anyway... Plenty of tall/big Contender sailors around, so they get under the boom somehow! Go for it, wonderful boats. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 9:24pm
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yep, there are some very big contender sailors out there, both heavier and taller than you are. A very nice boat.
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 9:38pm
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Thanks Rupert I appreaciate your honnest advice/opinion its helpful yeah I really like the contender and its good to hear from winging it that there are bigger and more importantly heavier. Yeah the weight isn't all where it should be but I carry quite a lot of bulk in the sholdurs but the contender would probably do me some good, thanks for all the advice guys.
Yeah thanks guys I've decided that I will bite the bullet and try and find a contender near enough pay (about. 200 miles) so if anyone has any tips or any words of wisdom in terms of the contender I'd love to here them. Cheers Al
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 21 Apr 12 at 9:46am
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there is an active contender yahoo group, plus a good facebook page. The British class website is very good http://www.sailcontender.org.uk/ and you'll find a link there to the international site. Hope you find one soon! Nessa ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 25 Apr 12 at 9:31pm
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Okay change of plan, me and my much lighter crew member 60-70kg are thinking of joint purchasing a boat and we've found lots of ISO and Buzzs in our price range, and very interested in both just looking for more information on both what you guys reckon about it? Also how big is the ISO main sail as I'm struggling to find that information online. Cheers Ali
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 8:45am
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Buzz would be too small for you, but an ISO gives lots of bangs for the buck, even if the design wasn't quite as some on here would like it to have been. Total upwind sail area just over 14m2, but don't know what the split is. Take a look at the Laser 5000, too, for twin trapezing fun. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 9:19am
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Buzz is way too small... and don't listen to any ISO bashing, they're great fun for the amount they cost and fairly robust. Just check the areas around the hull where the wings slot in as this was an area where some suffered- although with your man size righting moment, you won't be needing the wings. ------------- |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 12:35pm
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505 or an FD, put the little fella in the back though. Same for and Osprey, Javelin. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 3:52pm
All four of those boats will do you a treat.... (and you will look good, improve your image and generally be considered a real man sailing them
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Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 4:56pm
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Yeah thanks guys its really down to three factors: Location, Cost and something I can sail. The buzz and the ISO fit the bill (I think for all 3) at least the first 2 anyway, with the fastest boat I've sailed being a laser 2000 (same for my potential crew) I was wondering if the ISO would be an attainable goal? Cheers Ali
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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 7:40pm
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ISO will be fine. Shouldn't be a problem at all I don't think. It's a bit of a performance step from the L2K but not rocket science. Nothing to be scared of at all |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Apr 12 at 8:06pm
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Just build up to the stronger winds, maybe find someone to do some coaching with, and you'll be fine. They are powerful, but pretty stable by high performance boat standards.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 28 Apr 12 at 1:25pm
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Hi guys, Thanks for all the advice! I'm calling the owner of the ISO today to get information on it and a time to go and see it. Just wondering Rogue what to look for around where the wings attached, and if it was damaged, but because we probably won't be using wings anyway will that be a problem? Cheers Guys.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 28 Apr 12 at 2:40pm
| Rogues point about the wing attachments is that the two tubes in each gunwhale into which the wing pegs fit, can crack. This can then allow moisture into the foam core. On the wings you may also see cracks in the pegs. Due to your weight, you wont need the wings so just need to consider making good any cracks in the gunwhales. ISOs are certainly enjoyable to sail, and got many people into the joys of high performance assymetric sailing. |
Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 07 Jun 12 at 9:04pm
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Hi guys, just a quick update I know its been a while! But finally I sold my boat and I'm going to go and check out an ISO this weekend. Here's Hoping!
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Posted By: Alibaba5643
Date Posted: 17 Jul 12 at 4:58pm
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Just an update for anyone that cares, I'm now the proud owner of ISO 714, and although its had its fair share of problems to fix I'm looking forward to getting out on the water next week. Ali
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Posted By: DFF
Date Posted: 27 Aug 12 at 2:22pm
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laser 4 tonner are now pretty darn cheap and no doubt one in a garage in Dalgety Bay gathering dust could be sold to a new owner with some enthusiasm. I would also recommend a tasar for a year to learn technique in a light, tippy boat : there are a few in Scotchandshire and believe you me, they can take a bit of weight when it is blowing- funnily enough it was a L4000 sailor who asked me to go out for a blast from aforementioned club above in a force five gusting six when he got a tasar for him and t' bint. We made an RS200 look like it was going backward upwind and stayed well ahead of them downwind. Felt like a scaletrix car on water with us two second row props on board whizzing up wind. Laser 8.1 I would love to try actually! ------------- Crewing on a Melges 24, against my better judgement... |