New boat
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Topic: New boat
Posted By: billpayer
Subject: New boat
Date Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 6:22pm
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I'm a Dad and like to sail occasionally with my kids, currently have an RS Feva, a very nice little boat. I seem to be spending more time by myself, so I'm looking to get a bigger boat along the lines of the Laser Vago. I'm looking for a boat that can be sailed with two, but is also very useable for one, preferably with a trapeze! I know most boats can be sailed alone, but they all present some challenges, especially with the spinnaker up and dowhall, usually being to far forward for the skipper and designed to be up and downhauled by a crew. In light winds this is not a problem, but in a force 3-4, steering with your foot and trying to downhaul the spinnaker, it all gets a bit out of hand. So I'm looking for a boat that has an asymetric spinnaker, easy to up and down haul by a single person, has a trapeze, can be used by two and is big enough for me, I weigh about 95kg, pretty fit and agile. Vago looks good, but I'm sure there are others like a 29er, but is it good for one? any other suggestions and reasons..all welcome... |
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Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 7:14pm
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Dunno how u'd singlehand a 29er, might b a bit much but i dunno much about it... ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: southcoast
Date Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 7:29pm
| the 29er is most suited to lightweights and single handed sailing might be quite tricky (there not that stable.) The only thing that springs to mind is maybe a laser vortex its not the prettiest boat but it is quite fast has asymetric kite and trapese, it also doesnt look that crampt and 2people could be a possibility, but im not sure. |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 10:08pm
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HannaJ and Southcoast, thanks for info, the 29er info is good, I keep hearing conflicting info, but the stability of the 29er in single handed mode does seem to be raised often. The Vortex looks like it fits the requirement, but realy want to keep to a monohull. Does anyone have any real first hand experience of sailing any of the modern skiff type boats single handed, in UK South Coastal conditions, if so what boat and the same concern as before, can you raise and lower the gennika without having to lie prostrate across the boat to reach the forward uphaul. I'm looking for an uphaul that can be reached easily from the skippers point of view. I expect to hold the tiller between my knees on uphaul, but this does require the uphaul to be laid out towards the aft of the boat as per a 49er etc.
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 10:21pm
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The Vortex is a monohull (believe it or not) and all clubs have to accept that becuase the RYA say it is. ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 07 Aug 05 at 5:08pm
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the 29er would be a bit difficult cause it has a battened jib (i think). I would recommend a buzz as single handed they r great fun . Just get a telescopic tiller extension. There is a thread about this in dinghy development i think titled buzz single handed project ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 07 Aug 05 at 5:35pm
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Thx jp buzz 591, I thought about that as an option, looked more closely today at some of the Buzz boats at my club and discussed single handed sailing, but non of them had tried it, or didn't think it was an option, so will look at the suggested thread for into
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 07 Aug 05 at 6:14pm
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they are really fun. I'm nearly 14 stone and crew but single handed helmng off the wire is really good. Getting the spinnaker up isnt too difficult and not too difficult to write from a capsize. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 6:48am
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29er is fine single handed and with 95kg on the wire you will probably be performing better than most boats too. Use shockcord on the tiller to hold it central for kite raising and lowering. Use twin tiller extensions not telescopic jobs. 29er has a self tacking jib making it infinitely easier than other two man boats. Stability is a problem in a boat where you have two people moving in an uncoordinated fashion. In a 29er on your own it is not an issue. What you do notice is that the mast is quite heavy and generates some momentum if you start rolling - but as long as you don't try to over correct it is fine. and this is how its done...
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 8:02am
Yeah yeah, nice one Blobby... The only difference here : you'll never have "95 kgs on the wire" !  ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 8:27am
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I do like that picture... 95kg - I'm working on it! (Obviously just need to drink 25 litres before going on the water each day...) |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 8:51am
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Ahh yes but give it 90 mns and you're on another thread... Banter - when nature calls ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 9:58am
| and once you start, you have to keep going every 20 minutes until you fall asleep... |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 10:16am
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A 29er looks good, I'll have to try and have a go in one pretty soon to see if should be added to the short list. If this last week is anything to go by, 95kg will be put to good use, so far this week it has been about 8-10 knots in the morning, then kicks up to 20-25 with the afternoon sea breeze, so a bigger boat could get challenging for a few hours, but looking forward to trying..... Out in a regular Laser in the wind yesterday, fantastic, but as soon as it drops, then the lighter people all float past, so a laser is good for me in the bigger winds, but in a club race/lighter winds, they will wash the floor with me. So a bigger boat is definately on the cards...... |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 10:22am
lol try and get a diffrent PY number  ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 1:07pm
 , boom sheeting, single tiller, no messing!!------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: huwboat
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 1:46pm
| Nice photo but I don't see much hiking or trapezing going on - or much wind! In my experience 29er is going to be tricky for gennaker hoist single handed in anything above a force 2-3. But plenty of people do it.... |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 4:11pm
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If the MPS boys can do it, then the 29er is no harder, only thing that would be nice would be putting a mainsheet cleat on the deck, bungy on the tiller is a good idea too. Pic was taken in about F1-2, but did have it out in F2-3, was ok until you had to make a sharp bear-away with the kite up (minsheet in tiller hand so not easy). Having said all that, the boat is stupidlyy fast upwind, one up, it pops on the plane so easily, its great!! ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Sumo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 6:18pm
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I bought a Vago because I wanted a boat with a Genacker that I could also sail single handed. I haven't had a chance to sail it on my own so far, so I don't know how easy or difficult it is to raise and drop the genny whilst steering. My previous experience of single handed sailing in a Vareo makes me think that rasing a genacker and helming at the same time in a 3-4 is always an opportunity for a swim. If you sail a Feva now a Vago would be a step up in performance and it is good fun to sail. The 29er is another step up from the Vago, but I suspect you would spend more time swiming, i.e. the Vago is fun whilst being forgiving of mistakes versus the 29er which demands more respect and skill.
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Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 10:45pm
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a good thing for u to do wud be to take out the feva on your own in a f 5 - 6 and see how it goes... you shouldnt go in or anything... and if that goes swimmingly (scuse the pun) then try a bigger boat on your own, it depends on what they sail at your club... maybe a 200 or a big two handed boat that doesnt require too much power from a helm and crew. ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 12 Aug 05 at 9:33am
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Pondling wrote...a good thing for u to do wud be to take out the feva on your own in a f 5 - 6 and see how it goes I've been out in the Feva in all sorts of weather, a few times in F6 and it is exciting and I don't always get wet, so must be doing something right. The challenge is always the gennika drop, that is where it goes wrong all too often. The bungee on the tiller that has been mentioned on some threads is an option I will try next.
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