What to move up to?
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Topic: What to move up to?
Posted By: Pondling
Subject: What to move up to?
Date Posted: 23 Jul 05 at 6:35pm
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Im 14 n currently sail a feva - crewing n sometimes helming. I want to next year move up to a 29er or Rs200, and i would prefer to crew. Are there any newer modern boats that would be better for the social and younger crowds. I dont want to be on my own ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 23 Jul 05 at 7:33pm
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Well it probabley comes down again to what is sailed down at your club. If you want to trapeze, a 29er is a good option, and with the new 29er X rig coming out soon, they look like a pretty good option ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 23 Jul 05 at 7:38pm
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Well, RS200 is a great boat to crew. Never crewed a 29er so duno there. have a look at what is at your club - its much easier to find a helm if you pick a boat a lot of people at your club sail. Im gussing you are looking for an asym, but if not have a look at the lark or 420 (admitidly not modern boats but ...) they have a good youth social life. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 23 Jul 05 at 7:53pm
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i crew i 200, good boats- don't do the circuit though (maybe next year...?)- youre not going to get more new/ modern than a 29er/rs200. I prefer the 200 personally, but the rya training allocated for the 29ers could be a factor ------------- |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 23 Jul 05 at 7:54pm
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Where do u sail and to what ability that will be a factor. Also why choose a modern boat (out of curiosity) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 12:53pm
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29ers ar GREAT. I crewed 1 once havin never trapezed before - lovely boats n *************** fast.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 3:16pm
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29er is just about the easiest boat to trapeeze off in the world, really good fun, light loads, responsive & predictable handling, and fast. also being a youth boats there is training and racing there if you want it, otherwise its a great club racing boat. If you can, get one!! ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 5:41pm
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I wouldn't recommend the 200 from personal experience, they r the most boring boats! go for a cherub, they are cheap-ish to buy...even new, compared to the 200.....they hav a very sociable class, they r on the up with the biggest nationals this year for quite a while!! Plus....they're lighter, faster and just all round neater than either a 200 or 29er !!! Kasey ------------- 49er 908 |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 5:45pm
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i sail at Papercourt (i no thats why my names pondling)... but i want to move up. i have the opportunity to move up to a 200 cos my dad has one and i do have someone to move up with. i could move up to a 200 for a year or 2 then go on to a 29er, but i want to be able to have the chance to try for the olympics so... but do you think thats a good idea?? ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 5:57pm
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well... modern boats cos thats what im used to. i dont wanna go into a 420 particularly cos they still hav the do it urself spinnaker n pole... ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 6:50pm
tis better tho, we've been through asymmetric/symmetric before... or are u just lazy?! I sail on a pond too.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 7:54pm
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im not lazy! i want some thing newer tho!! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 2:32am
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Papercourt is too small for a 29er or a Cherub. If you're remotely serious about the Olympics you need to get into the RYA squad system asap. That means via whatever is sailed at Papercourt or regionally with good competition and that is supported by the RYA. Another factor is your size. If youre going to end up around 10st you can helm almost anything competitively, but If you're likely to end up at 15st you'd have to aim at the Finn, so would have to take the Topper - Laser -Finn route to glory. If I were you I'd sail the RS200 and if you 'can win at your club and local opens think about a move up.
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Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 10:16am
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i want to move up a boat - therefore i can leave the club and go to somewhere like hayling or queen mary. im about 9.5 stone and 5 ft 6 so i am a good size for crewing the 200 - i dont think im strong enough to helm it in more than a force 4. i do not want to go into a single handed boat cos they r really boring and theres no one to talk to! i think some people at my club moved up to a 29er and went to dachet... ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 11:08am
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200's are boring so are 400's, they're like tanks with sails. The best way to learn spinnakers is with a symmetric one, you become more sympathetic to what the spinnaker is doing and getting the best performance from it, then move onto a asymmetric once you have done the hard part with the symmetric. 420's are great to learn in or a merlin rocket is pretty good too. Just go with whatever, as long as you are sailing who cares! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 12:18pm
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Yeah, tis easy to sail asymmetric if u've sailed symmetric, but
not so the other way round! Asymmetrics are just big jibs n u can't go
straight downwind. Thinkin of that, can u goose-wing an asymmetric
spinnaker????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 1:24pm
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cors u can! i DONT want to sail a 420 - do any of you sail one? 200s r so cool in a f5 - when you can plane with the spinny! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 1:34pm
yeah, thats the only time they plane ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 1:47pm
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yeah... ok... true... but do you really think that im big enough for a cherub or something... there arent any clubs near me that sail them anyway! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 4:07pm
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if you want to go for the olympics, go for the 29er as soon as possible, get into the squad and get the coaching, competition is fierce so you have to want it and work hard, you will have to move to somewhere bigger like queen mary but if its what you want it will be worth it. Just make sure whoever you sail with is as dedicated to it as you are. good luck, and keep us posted. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 5:34pm
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thanx. i have two possiblities and they will have to 'fight for me to be their crew'... no ill just choose which ever one does the best in the 200 with me. sumthin like that - which ever one i get along with best! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 6:32pm
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if you did consider the cherub...the weight range for crews is 16-24 stone... its known as a light-weight's boat! kasey. ------------- 49er 908 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 9:35pm
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You asked about the 420 and well im a 200 crew and not their biggest fan but I def think that if you want to aim for olympic glory then that is def a route to look at. They are quite impressive boats - a slight pig to get a handle on first time - But def a Symetric spinni will give you a better understanding of how they work and then its much easier to move into an asym. I know a lot of people who are going through the 420 squads at the moment and they are saying just how great the training is. They learnt more in the tranny squad over winter than in 2years in the national squads in their respective feader classes (and both of them are either going to or coming back from worlds as we speak) Basicaly what ever class it is just make sure you work hard in it and take advantage of any training provided - but if you are truly aiming for the olympics get yourself into an olympic feeder boat NOW. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 9:47pm
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yeah. some of my friends said the tranny squad was rubbish tho. ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 12:57pm
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they have a tranny squad?? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 2:00pm
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yeah 420s do. but ppl say that its really rubbish if you stay or are put in it again. ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 2:38pm
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oh you mean training squad? Not a a squad for tranny's? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 3:04pm
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no the transition squad. not a squad for trannys. a transition squad for training. ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 3:34pm
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go for the 29er, they're fairly fast and fairly fun! but make sure u learn how to a symmetric spinnaker first, it will only take a few hours! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 9:21pm
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Yeah but you shouldnt need to go into the tranny squad twice. Its to teach people how to get to grips with the boat when they are moving out of another class (transitional) and where your friends in it this year. Because Sam Carter did most of this years on I think (if I got my info correct he certainly did flanders youth quad training) and he is a seriously decent coach. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 1:29am
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Personally I don't get what is so great about learning a symmetric kite first...some one explain that one please. If you are convinced you want to get a 200 or 29er, get a 29er - you won't be happy until you do - you know you are only thinking of the 200 because of parental pressure.... |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 6:18pm
I sail a 200 with my dad/ other blokes in the club who are about 12 stone, and I'm 8.5, so we work out a good weigh. Me and my mate want to move in a 200 next year, but we're too light at about 17.5 stone- is this a good weight for a 29er?, which is what we're considering. But personally i prefer the 200, and a 29er would mean joining leigh and lowton, as it is class racing only at Budworth- and I don't like pennington flash (the lake) ------------- |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 6:48pm
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whats the ideal weight for a 200? 29er? ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 7:00pm
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the 200 is 19-25 stone...but we struggled in a F7 at 19stone. don't know about the 29er! kasey. ------------- 49er 908 |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 9:05pm
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it keeps changing for the 29er but 18-21 stone seems to as good a starting point as any (P.S. 26 stone in any winds does not work) ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 28 Jul 05 at 10:22pm
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The 200 powers up quickly with fully battened main and no trap.- I'd say at least 20 stone, more like 21-23 stone ideal.- though it depends where you sail and how competitvely. ------------- |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 1:32am
| The get kids sailing supplement a couple of issues back had a chart of ideal helm & crew weights and heights for all the RYA Youth classes... |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 12:48pm
We've got some pretty good 29er Sailors based at Island Barn up the A3 at Molesey from you. |
Posted By: huwboat
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 2:16pm
| 29er is a brilliant choice not least because the crew gets to play the mainsail upwind leaving the helm to sit back and steer. More challenging than the 200 fast upwind as well as downwind and basically loads of fun. But I am biased. |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 5:55pm
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your probably a 29er sailor arent you? ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 6:38pm
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oh WELL DONE pondling...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: huwboat
Date Posted: 29 Jul 05 at 9:11pm
| no - RS Vareo sailor but after 2 weeks in a 29er at Minorca Sailing I am convinced and will be moving over to 29ers. Never had so much fun in a boat before although RS800 comes close but is a bit easier to keep going so not such a challenge. If you are young 29er is the way to go. If you are less young 29er is still the way to go as they need to get away from the youth image. GET ONE........ |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 30 Jul 05 at 10:09am
heehee ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: shifts suck
Date Posted: 20 Aug 05 at 9:05pm
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i'm in the same situation and i sail at a pond. just ask friends to organise taster sessions in both boats and try them both out and see which one you prefer. ------------- I hate sailing at ponds where its shifty but i still sail at the worst of all the ponds! |
Posted By: woody292
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 6:35pm
| depending on how big you are but iv been sailing 405s for the last 3 years and had alot of fun there is winter traing for talent squads and national squads gr8 step between topers and oppys to 29er |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 7:18pm
well im now 5 6 n 59kgs... hmmm ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 10:16pm
| If you are sailing on a pond you may find the 29er difficult to sail up to its handicap. The 200 on the other hand can tack on every shift and point like a (can't think) and will sail deep down wind. 29ers on the other hand need space to get blasting. I don't know how big your pond is but you may find you don't get around it any faster in a 29er than a 200. |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 10:27pm
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oh i will have to move clubs for the 29er so im not that worried bout the space issue... mainly size v performance v price issues ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 31 Aug 05 at 10:07pm
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I know someone who picked up a 29er for £3000, think that's the going rate.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 09 Sep 05 at 11:11pm
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I'd maybe consider a 97 rules cherub. Nice boat & as you gain
experience and confidence modify up to the newest rules. You won't
reach the stage where you outgrow a cherub neither
------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 10 Sep 05 at 10:07pm
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I'd say go for the 29er though it sounds like your a touch short and light to crew one my brothers crewing one now and he's 6ft 1 n 10 1/2 stone and i beleive his helm is 5ft 9 and 10 stone and theyre pretty quick fink their planning of swapping roles though soon as my bro's a better helm than his crew. but anyway their great fun to sail far more fun than the rs 200 ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 05 at 11:26pm
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The recommeneded weight for the Cherub is between 16-25 stone, so if
you consider it an option, it might be worth looking at the boat and go
for a boat with a more conservative sail plan or find a crew above 10
stone. The 29er might be an easier boat to learn in and you do have the
advantage of using the youth training program in place. The Cherub does
seem to be the up and coming class just now and really interesting
things are happening. Although you can participate with the youth
squads through the 29er, the Cherub does have a really friendly class
where people are more than willing to help you out, so I reckon you'd
gain in either of the classes you choose. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: the hammer
Date Posted: 14 Sep 05 at 7:14pm
| get a 29er fast and trapeze boat and is also a rya class boat |