Must have an asymmetric, weigh damn all.....
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Topic: Must have an asymmetric, weigh damn all.....
Posted By: barclay174
Subject: Must have an asymmetric, weigh damn all.....
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 10:16am
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From a quick flip thro this forum, my problem seems to come up quite often - I want an asymmetric single-hander but only weigh 58kg, so am too light for absolutely everything.
Many people in this situation seem to end up accepting the gap & sticking with a Radial or some such (which is what I sail at the moment). The thing is, tho, the reason I'm doing all this dinghy sailing is to train for a single-handed asymmetric keelboat - so I really really do need practice with that kite.
So, the question is - what's the best compromise (accepting that I may not be able to take any of them out in a big blow)? Laser 3000? Vareo? The nice people at RS recommended the 100, which looks too cool to be true, but would I really be able to hold it? Or right it?
Any help very much appreciated.
Thanks Lucy
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 10:41am
Perfect for a Farr 3.7 with asymmetric.
I'm hoping to build the class in the UK with either option. ie with or without kite.
Search for Farr 3.7 on here to find the thread or click the blog link below.
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http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 1:14pm
Unluckily for you, the mini version of the musto that was in development seems to have gone quiet.
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Al
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 1:38pm
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The Farr does look really interesting - the thing is that I probably only want something for a year or two before trading up to the keelboat, so resale value is an issue - which makes the shipping costs quite a significant factor.
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Posted By: Graham T
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 1:39pm
If you just want something cheap to practise with how about a concept 302 - http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=694 - http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=694 ? There was one at our club for a while and it seemed to be pretty sorted for a lightweight sailors assy single hander. Of course you won't find a fleet to race against....
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Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit"
Miracle 1358 "Thumper"
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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 1:44pm
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A new smaller 7.4m RS 100 or the small rigged Devoti D1. Both aimed at people around 60kg.
I think you'll find that the Vareo is too much of a handful upwind even with a Storm sail and two man boat running as a single hander will surely be better suited to a larger person.
What about a vortex? (no idea if that's suitable) but be cheap to run for a few years as prices seemed to have bottomed out.
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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 3:19pm
Take a Feva, ditch the jib, done.
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Posted By: asterix
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 3:22pm
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the RS100 isn't hard to right
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 8:19pm
I'd agree with the Feva comment, if the main idea is to get to grips with singlehanding with a kite. Anything more than a drifer and you'll have good fun, too.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 10:23pm
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Feva option sounds interesting - only concern, I guess, is whether it would be testing enough/fast enough in light winds. (I've single-handed a Laser 3000 in lighter winds & can manage the asymmetric quite easily.) The keelboat I want is a stupidly high-performance model, so I'd like to get practice at going as fast & hard as possible - on the other hand, I don't really want something I can't take out in anything over a F4. Hm.....
RS100 - the reason I mentioned about the righting is that I found a video review online that suggested it wasn't as easy as all that - if not, that's great. Any other relevant pros or cons would also be very helpful.
D-One - looks fantastic, but where do you get one? And does it cost an arm & leg??
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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by barclay174
D-One - looks fantastic, but where do you get one? And does it cost an arm & leg?? |
Much less than a Stupid High performace keel boat i'm sure!
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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 18 Jul 11 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Neptune
Originally posted by barclay174
D-One - looks fantastic, but where do you get one? And does it cost an arm & leg?? |
Much less than a Stupid High performace keel boat i'm sure! |
Not necessarily..... http://www.minitransat650.com/simple/index.php?topic=4065.0 - http://www.minitransat650.com/simple/index.php?topic=4065.0
But no, can't afford to blow the whole boat fund (such as it is) on a dinghy!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 8:59am
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OK, so a big jump from a Feva to a Mini transat...
But a big jump from any dinghy, in many ways. Maybe a weighted keel on a Vareo?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 10:29am
Originally posted by Rupert
OK, so a big jump from a Feva to a Mini transat...
But a big jump from any dinghy, in many ways. Maybe a weighted keel on a Vareo? |
Too true, but I've done quite a bit of big boat sailing, which is where I started - switched to dinghies to learn to race & improve my sailing skills (which it already has, out of all recognition).
Have been told by one Mini sailor that the best training is skiffs, but given that I want to single-hand the RS100 looked like a reasonable compromise - it's just the weight that's the issue (RS told me that the optimum weight for the 7.4sqm rig was 75kg).
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Posted By: asterix
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 10:35am
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out of interest, did they give you an optimum weight for the 8.4sqm rig? as I am sailing with the 8.4 at 75kg
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 10:52am
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 11:02am
Maybe you should crew for a very good skiff helm for a while? You'd learn loads very quickly. And build upper body strength!
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 11:26am
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Oops, sorry, can't work the forum yet....
Asterix - they didn't give me a weight for the 8.4, just for the 7.4 - but the sales team were out & the guy I spoke to didn't seem so sure of his numbers, so it may be wrong.
Rupert - had thought about that, but had assumed that I'd never learn as much or as fast crewing as helming. Not true?
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Posted By: asterix
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 11:31am
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just managed to look at the Mini transat boats - first thought is maybe you could look for a chance to sail on an SB3 or similar? maybe you already have?
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 11:36am
Originally posted by asterix
the RS100 isn't hard to right |
Very true, just next to impossible to get back into if you fall out..
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 11:42am
Originally posted by barclay174
Oops, sorry, can't work the forum yet....
Asterix - they didn't give me a weight for the 8.4, just for the 7.4 - but the sales team were out & the guy I spoke to didn't seem so sure of his numbers, so it may be wrong.
Rupert - had thought about that, but had assumed that I'd never learn as much or as fast crewing as helming. Not true? |
Crewing for a top end helm (especially one who communicates) is a great way of learning - you get to see 1st hand what it is they are doing, where they are going, and hopefully why they are doing it. Even a couple of wekends crewing can up your understanding of the game. you can then put this into practice from the back end. Learning to use an assy well when not having to concentrate on the steering is also a good plan.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 2:26pm
2 Concept 302's for sale here...
http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=694 - http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=694
not a 'great boat', but then neither is the RS100 with a 7.4 sail on it from some accounts.
For under £500 each, buy both and give one to friend to race against/keep spares.... cheap sailing and ticks your boxes in the asymmetric department for a lightweight... FWIW, no asymmetric singlehander is that competitive on a club round the cans course. But if you're looking for a toy to go sailing and don't give a crap about the 'competitiveness' of what you've chosen, then why waste the best part of £10k on a brand new RS100 or D-1?
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 2:42pm
Go crewing - if you sail with someone good it's an accelerated learning process because you jump some learning steps plus you side step bad habits. In any top boat the crew is as importnat as the helm. You'll get a fast ride and pick up top tips. Much easier, faster and more fun than struggling on your own.
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the same, but different...
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Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 19 Jul 11 at 4:23pm
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Canoe?
Stick an 18sq.m kite on and you'll be off over the horizon.
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12ft Skiff - Gordon Keeble and the Furry Fly-by
AC - GBR271 - Whoosh
B49 - Island Alchemy
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Posted By: barclay174
Date Posted: 20 Jul 11 at 11:43am
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Many thanks, lots of helpful suggestions. Have to say after all that I might stick with my original idea, which was a Laser 3000 - not expensive, really enjoyed sailing it & it's got a trapeze for blowier conditions - was being tempted by the RS100 but it sounds like a lot of money for a lot of work. Convinced by the arguments about crewing tho, will try to get some in over the winter.
Thanks again Lucy
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Jul 11 at 1:45pm
With the 3000, you can always import a top helm, too.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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