Boat for able teenage girl
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Topic: Boat for able teenage girl
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Subject: Boat for able teenage girl
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 1:58pm
Any suggestions on a boat for a friend of mine? She is 16, roughly 5 foot 9 I think and estimate 60 kgs. Having crewed on an ISO, 29er and various other boats occasionally, as well as helming a topaz and a Feva reasonably well at club level, she is looking for something faster, preferably asymmetric, maybe with trapeze but not a requirement. I have suggested a 700 due to weight equalization etc. but any other suggestions would be much appreciated.  tmol ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 3:55pm
| Much as it pains me to say as a dedicated 700 sailor... She is probably at the light end of the spectrum for the 700 as the bottom range of the equalisation is arround 70kg, unless of course you have a light wind venue. |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 4:11pm
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There is currently no UK marketed trapeze singlehander for a person of 60kg. You need to consider boat weight on the beach and for righting after a capsize, sheet loads, control systems etc. Hiking assymetrics are thin on the ground for that waight as well. There is the RS100 with the 8.4 or the baby sail (7.4 I think). Or there is the Vareo but I don't know the ideal weight for that. By the sounds of things she will make an ideal half a crew for the new RS900. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 5:07pm
UK marketed? I suppose that is true, but I have just imported the first Farr 3.7 from NZ into the UK, which is a singlehanded trapeze dinghy perfectly suited to a 60kg sailor. I will be doing my best to raise interest and promote the class in the UK, this may not be considered as marketing but never the less for the early adopter the 3.7 is worth considering. Plans are available from the class for boat builders or home builds, I also have nested AutoCad files of the plans for laser cutting ply to aid the home builder, and importing a boat from NZ isnt as complex or as expensive as you think. Well, not know I have found all the pitfalls by doing it my self!  So the Farr 3.7 could be worth a thought for anyone of smaller build looking for a singlehanded trapeze boat.
 ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 5:31pm
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I wondered how long it would be before you turned up Jack. I did choose my wording carefully, perhaps I should have said professionally marketed by one of our excellent dinghy suppliers in the UK.
I wish you luck with the 3.7 and I can't wait to see it. You will have to keep us updated on your events programme.
The UK is calling out for a lightweights trapeze boat. So come on Ovi, RS, Hartleys, Laser, Topper, Cirrus - one of you must have the balls to build & sell something like the 3.7.... ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 5:33pm
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Good bit of advertizing there! Looking forward to some pics of her sailing, and your view on how she goes in UK waters. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Foiling_Toff
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 6:00pm
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I weigh 62Kg and sail a contender. I would undoubtedly be faster upwind with a more weight but it's certainly manageable. Nice new carbon rig would help. It's as easy as a laser to right after a capsize so that shouldn't be a problem. It is a little heavy though. The Farr 3.7 is top of my list when I can afford it. |
Posted By: Foiling_Toff
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 6:01pm
| I would add that she should defiantly avoid any weight equalized classes. It's hard enough for the light guys without adding extra lead. |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 6:06pm
Are there any weight equalised classes out there? By definition equalisation should be designed to make things fairer across the board... Ian
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Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 6:20pm
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With weight equalised classes, it does tend to mean that the lightest people have the heaviest boat to lug around the dinghy park, in some cases, you could be knackered before launching. Never been a great fan of weight equalisation, never seen it done in a way that is fair to all!!
Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 7:22pm
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Just to clarify a semi-budget, it is roughly the price of a ok Feva (£2500), along with perhaps £500 more, so although we did consider the Farr 3.7 together, she decided it would be too much work to buy one from overseas etc., along with there not being an established class. Regarding the 900 and other similar boats, although she has been a more than able crew in the 29er occasionally when I lack a crew, there are very few people at our club other than that with the interest in skiffs :(, so i'm sure a singlehander would be preferable. tmol ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |
Posted By: Foiling_Toff
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 7:29pm
| At that weight there are more choices of double handers available. I'm sure if she were to buy one it wouldn't be that difficult to find a regular crew. |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 8:04pm
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surely she should go with whateve her friends are sailing? otherwise it depends on her ambitions/aims. Does she want to circuit race, club sail, conquer the world. at that age she should still be seeing current sailing as fun and a stepping stone to wherever she wants to go next. there aren't a lot of female helms out there in single trap world... ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 8:58pm
Very good point Nessa, as usual the voice of reason speaks. So, what other boats are sailed at the club? If we have the shortlist of club boats, we maybe able to advise more.. Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 16 May 11 at 9:58pm
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1 29er, a few ISOs, 200s, a couple of 400s for the adults, but among the cadets there is only really topazes, a couple of Fevas and some laser radials. Having had a Feva I know she likes sailing with asymmetrics, and also the speed and acceleration of skiffs from the 29er. ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 May 11 at 8:52am
| It sounds to me as if she ought to see if she can scare up a forward hand and carry on with 29ers... |
Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 17 May 11 at 9:15am
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The obvious single-hander for a talented lightweight is surely an International Moth? |
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 17 May 11 at 11:19am
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Lowrider perhaps but sailing on the Thames Estuary means a massive lack of depth about an hour either side of High Tide so although she is probably good enough, the location of the club dictates something more conventional :/ ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 18 May 11 at 11:30am
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Reason would say laser radial, but I can see why she wouldn't want to. her best option would be to do as Jim says, and go double handed. Otherwise I'd be looking at the 29er lookalike that is the byte c2, or for something faster, the europe. or what about an RS vareo? ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 May 11 at 2:17pm
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The Vareo has a repuation for being hard work upwind (as well as needing a bit of weight to hold it down).
She is probably a little on the light side for one.... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: doeywizard
Date Posted: 18 May 11 at 6:47pm
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I would agree with if you can get some crew to stick with the 29er (they look such fun boats especialy when they are sailed by good crews and helms) if you are looking for a single hander then probably the byte as for one it looks cool but if you are only weiging 60kg the radial you will stuggle in on hevy wind days, I am not much hevier and at the moment still sail my topper when it blows up ------------- Topper 46148 for sale http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=276804 |
Posted By: themeaningoflife
Date Posted: 18 May 11 at 7:01pm
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Just to clarify this isn't for me I'm perfectly set up with a crew in my 9er :). Although I'm sure the debate is a good one to continue since it would be useful for anybody in a similar position, my friend has decided to get a laser radial for now with a view for crewing on any boats that need a crew to gain experience :) Thanks for all the positive ideas though. ------------- Cambridge University Lightweight Rowing Club RS800 1128 kindly sponsored by http://www.rwo-marine.com" rel="nofollow - RWO Marine |