laser or international moth?
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Topic: laser or international moth?
Posted By: Funtime
Subject: laser or international moth?
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 5:24pm
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Im currently a student at uni and with a really limited budget of around £500. Im really keen on gettin a laser or a moth. Ive had a few years sailing experience and im up for a challenge. I would just love some advice on what to get and what sort of money im looking at spending. Any help would be appreciated ------------- I just want a boat |
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 7:26pm
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I bet that, after 52 pages of answers (and completely off-the-point remarks "omg-yeah-lol"), you'll be advised to opt for something of a compromise. If you get a Laser, you'll take half an hour to find on the beach after lunch: there are so many around! On the other hand, the Moth seems to be a nice origami... ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 8:14pm
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i am a laser sailor my self, get a moth ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 8:27pm
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go for a moth, and if you want any advice on purchasing one then give me a private message and i can forward more info to you. heres but a sample of where the moth could take you (in this case, upwards)
------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 9:02pm
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There are at least two of us on here who are students who own I14s, there are good ones availible for under £1000. This is more than your £500 budget but if you share the cost with your helm/crew you would be OK. Have a look in this thread: http://www.intersail.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=731&PN=2 - http://www.intersail.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=731& ;PN=2 |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 9:30pm
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Yeh im the other student with a 14!! definetly worth it if you can sail
with a mate, otherwise get a moth, lasers are incredibly boring unless
you have a fleet near you, fleet racing in lasers is brilliant and
great fun, but racing against other classes you suddenly realise how
poor they can be, get a moth!!
------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 9:57pm
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[QUOTE=Chris Noble]
heres but a sample of where the moth could take you (in this case, upwards) [QUOTE] Presume that moth cost a bit over £500 ???????!!!
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 Jun 05 at 10:53pm
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well not to start with but if you want to stay in the class long term, as i said it COULD LEAD TO such things ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 12 Jun 05 at 7:53am
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I'm quite surprised someone would even think "Moth or Laser?" They are entirely different animals. Moth will mean handicap racing: don't expect meaningful class racing on that budget. They are fast and challenging to sail. Lasers are a very dated design now but provide great fleet racing with fleets at most clubs and competition at all levels. So what do you like most about sailing? Answer that and the choice should be obvious. If you buy a cheap Moth you can expect to be making frequent use of an epoxy repair kit. They are lightly built and for £500 you will be getting something quite old. That, at least, was my experience. It is not a reason for not getting one, it is just good to understand what you are getting into. |
Posted By: Bobbins
Date Posted: 12 Jun 05 at 10:02am
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£500 got me this magnum 6, including the meatiest combi trailer you've ever seen. Add about £60ish for fiddling to get things how I wanted, as well as cost of repainting/varnishing once a year. Probably more than a laser would cost you, but its great fun and when it goes, really flies.
------------- www.fastsail.org Fireball GBR 9476 |
Posted By: Funtime
Date Posted: 12 Jun 05 at 1:40pm
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Yer i was well tempted to get a 14 but thats the trouble finding a permanent crew. I think im gonna go for the moth as I really want a challenge, and the thrill of sailing one, and eventually end up on foils.
------------- I just want a boat |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 12 Jun 05 at 7:07pm
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if you want any assistance on the purchasing or background of models etc give us a mail, also dotn be put off at first by how strange the boat feels. Dont know if it makes a difference to you but the nationals are in scotland next year ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 15 Jun 05 at 9:15am
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Hey Funtime, Good to hear your opting for a moth but beware theres alot of junk out there and you could be putting your good money into bad. If you see a boat for sale drop a note on the class association yahoo forum and you'll be sure to get some history on it. Keith.... ------------- Keith... |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 15 Jun 05 at 9:40am
Franky - get a Moth dude! You saw how I got on with my Axe5, harry and his mag 6 - you know it makes sence!  & also, we share events (cherub / moth) - so I can give ya a lift! Moths are definately the singlehanded way forward unless you wana get an A class?! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 15 Jun 05 at 2:29pm
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The other good thing about a Moth is that there everyone starts off in a justified and ancient £500 one, so there will be lots of meaningful racing at the back of the fleet, as well as a culture of support for newbies. In these extreme development classes just getting to the startline in such a huge personal acheivment that even handicap racing is very rewarding. Go for it! Might we see you at Newquay for the Nationals? ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Funtime
Date Posted: 16 Jun 05 at 12:39am
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when are the nationals at newquay, it would be well cool to come down and check out what goes on and see the different boats and whats on offer. Im home for the summer at min in lowestoft so its difficult traveling. ------------- I just want a boat |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 16 Jun 05 at 9:50am
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They are in New Quay - wales. 14-17 july. I may be able to squeeze u in the car mate! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 16 Jun 05 at 12:19pm
| as i have a moth myself i got that little question: how do you compare the laser and the moth?? moth is extremely about boathandling and your ability and the laser is rather boring i think! anyway you should really go for a moth. it´s cheaper than a laser and you will have more fun! |