advice on 800's
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Topic: advice on 800's
Posted By: carshalton fc
Subject: advice on 800's
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 11:38am
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i am going to buy a second hand rs 800 and am not quite sure what do look for!! is there anything that bracks very easyly or little things the wear out easily? or can anyone just give me some general advice please! thanks very much luke ------------- International 14 1503 |
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 11:49am
Look for a boat with plenty of sails, old and new because you'll need a set to get used to the boat and another set once you get your head round things. Remember sails for high performance boats are expensive. Also another simple check to do with all boats is to check the foils line up with each other. When we looked at the 5000 we checked the gunnels because remember they will have had a lot of abuse, just check they are still solid. Turn the hull upside down to check things properly too and check around the back of the dagger board casing just incase foils have been destroyed in their. Lots of people buy new covers, ropes etc to jazz up the boat for sale so don't look at that stuff and concentrate on the expensive stuff- sails, foils, spars, etc. Don't know too much about RS 800s but the stuff I've mentioned can be applied to any boat. Hope that helps and good luck ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 11:51am
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cheers mate!! does it matter how old the hull is? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 11:57am
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Not too sure, doesn't matter with classes like the 5-tonner or 4000 but I'd ask advice on the 800 site because those guys know their boats inside out. Plus you'll get old boats that haven't been sailed too much where as some of the newer ones on the circuit will have been raced week in week out, its just the luck of the draw. Being one design, in theory age shouldn't matter but as I mentioned before, I don't know 800s but they should be good because they come out of the RMW boat shed. Best buying a local boat where you know what its history is if you can. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 1:03pm
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I don't sail 800's but hasn't there been a rules change to fixed spreaders and a change to the mainsheet/twin tillers? Might be something to look for. Sails are obviously very important but replacing ropes can get pretty expensive too for high quality stuff so remember that. |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 1:19pm
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RS 800s are generally well made and robust as long as looked after - a couple of issues I'm aware of are:-Masts - the track can rip off - check its still well attached. Battens poke through front of sail check batten pockets.Mast foot area - hull can crack under mast foot check for signs of cracks or worse a bodge repair. As 49erGBR --- says, check the transom and back of CB case for signs of damage (from running aground at speed with foils down). The kites are expensive and you'll need one to trash whilst learning ans another to race with. Good luck.
As 49erGBR-- |
Posted By: guytoon
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 1:27pm
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Have a look at the mast. Loads of them have broken around block fittings, gooseneck, spreaders ... Actually the protection between carbon and aluminum go away and then you get an important oxidation between both elements speed up by salt and water and leads to a fatal brakerage. Latest proctor masts are better than previous superspars. ------------- Cherub 2692 "NBS" |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 2:44pm
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Check the racks too for signs of them coming away from the boat. Don't know the 800 too well but with the 5000, if there was play in the rack fitments, you'd stay weel clear, same with the 49er. Also if you can get a boat with a lot of herzog, that will add to the value of the boat and shows that the owner has probably taken a professional attitude to the boat. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 4:35pm
what is hrzong? heard it in some adverts but have no clue what it is!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 5:34pm
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Its the 12 plait rope that comes in interesting shades of blue and red usually, used as lot for adjustable trapeze lines and strops as you can do long splices with it that do not creep under load. Its expensive stuff but is the muts nuts for pretty much anything that does not run through a cleat (and you can get coverd versions for that. (on the 9ers they use it for halyards with interlocking splices instead of wire and 3-plait - lighter and less stretch). ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 5:50pm
thanks!! i will bare that in mind when looking at boats!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 6:27pm
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its a really strong rope, stronger than the equivalent diameter of steel wire, also very expensive, but make sure that with this, that its been spliced and not knotted, also check all the deck fixings to see if they are loose as this can alow water into the hull in all RS's and makes them heavier as the construction method on them means they absorb water very very well if given the chance ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 12:09am
| I'm no great expert on 800s but I know there was a change from swinging upper spreaders to fixed some time back and also you should thoroughly inspect the mast for corrosion between carbon and stainless and any tendency for the track to come lose. Don't worry about having a twin tiller and part aft sheeting or single tiller and centre sheeting as this isn't going to make the boat perform much different as long as you have strong arms, and you can change it later when you've got enough control to go racing. Also sails are an expensive item and as beginners to high perfomance sailing you are going to trash a gennaker and very likely a main. Its also quite easy to snap the tip off your dagger board too. Helming from the trapeze usually goes through a few tiller extensions at first so keep the fancy carbon one at home and buy some cheap plastic tube to use until you stop falling out the back. As for hulls I reckon scrapes at the transom are a sure sign of poor care and any damage is likely to be more expensive to repair than lesser boats since I think the boat uses epoxy resins. Good luck - you'll need it if you aren't experienced at trapezing lesser boats. |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 10:04am
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One structural thing that went on my old boat #876 was the shrowd backing plates were pulled into the hull. They needed beefed up so its something to check that theres no evidence of cracks around the shrowd base plates. Worth checking....
------------- Keith... |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 10:31am
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If you want a sorted boat, spod (alain olive)'s is for sale, check it out: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classifieds/?s=102&category=4&SearchText=RS800&MinPrice=6799&MaxPrice=6801 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classifieds/?s=102&cate gory=4&SearchText=RS800&MinPrice=6799&MaxPrice=6 801 recently won the stokes bay open meet |
Posted By: IanP
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 8:36pm
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Beware If you are a lightweight crew (combined weights less than 138.9 kg) To race legally we will need to have 4 weights PLUS intermediate racks. If the boat you are looking at does not have these then you need to add the costs of buying them to the cost of the boat you are looking at. Secondhand weights & bars are rarer than hens teeth so you are looking at buying new. Costs are 29.95 per weight and bars were 127.66 (plus VAT). Cheaper than a new jib but at least you can choose whether you need one. I was a bit Moral : lightweights look for boats being sold by lightweights (or have deep pockets!) ------------- Ian Paterson 800 922 |
when I realised the extra amount I needed to spend to make my new boat legal. This info was not around when I was looking, so I hope this post means no-one else gets caught out this way.
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 8:45pm
yer me and my brother will have to have the racks the full way out so we definatly need the mini racks!! and means we wont fall down the hole!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 8:47pm
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when were the first 800's in production? ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 8:50pm
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well ther first nats was in 2000 so must be around that time ish!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 08 Jun 05 at 11:48pm
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98 comes to mind for some reason ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |