First boat - Omega or laser 2000
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Topic: First boat - Omega or laser 2000
Posted By: Riggin
Subject: First boat - Omega or laser 2000
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 8:46am
Completely new to sailing, due to complete the RYA Begin Sailing course next week. Looking round for a boat. Influenced by brochures and magazine tests so far and at the top of the list are a Topaz Omega and a Laser 2000. The boat will be inland lake sailed, double handed or 2 + a teenager, and, while the idea is to be “messing around in boats” eventually some, not too serious, racing will have to be done. I would welcome comments for everyone but especially from those who have sailed both.
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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 9:15am
Laser 2000 - its a good learnin boat, the omega just handles like a complete pig and doesnt EVER go in the direction you point it in, + it may actually weigh more than your house! & racing wise you can actually do this in the 2000, but again, its a big ole heavy thing.
Or from your choice, there is also an albacore - its a very big stable boat, like the 2000 and omega, so you can take the family out. but once you have got good at sailing, you can race them and they dont hang about when pushed. Its what my dad taught me in yearsssss ago - he still races it today!
But a 2000 is a bit more indestructable, as in - you cant actually break it!!
Hope this helps, Andy
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 9:50am
Yeah if i were you id go for the laser 2000 becaue it is faster than the omega and is nicer to sail than a omega because of the omega being rotomoulded.
The 2000 is often used for training and has optional trapeze to when it gets windy you could have a blast when its windy
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Posted By: Riggin
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 9:57am
Thanks for the response. The omega reads well in the magazines but after reading what people say who have sailed them I am leaning towards the laser 2000. Thanks for the albacore tip though.
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 10:17am
yer go for the 2000 because they have an assosiation and u could get tips and pionters from people in the class!! hope u get a boat soon!!
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Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 10:32am
look at the other 2000 postings on the website it has some good info
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 11:54am
worth looking at the RS 200 as well or National 12 although they are
small and it depends on how big you are.
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Posted By: Riggin
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 1:01pm
My partner likes the sit in look of the laser 2000 and the Omega and thinks they would make nice stable boats for cruising around the lake. It won’t be long before we will want to tag on the back of the informal races, and when that happens I won’t want to come last. I think the RS 200 is a little bit small for us and maybe a bit too race focused. So I think the laser/Omega size is about right for us but I want a boat we can grow with.
I take the point about having a boat that is in an association or has a fleet presence at the club. You can tap into help and knowledge. I’m slightly disappointed the Omega hasn’t got a following, as it looks just the job on paper. But getting the low down from people who have sailed them is an important part of not making a mistake that would get our sailing off on the wrong foot.
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Posted By: lemeouttahere
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 1:45pm
how about a wayfarer or wanderer stable and comfortable but with the racing edge.
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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 1:50pm
I reckon a laser 2000 would suit you fine, but if you want a nice sit on cruiser which you could then race I really do recomend an albacore. Its very stable, has seats inside - a bit in the front for a cool box with your sandwiches! and most of all you can easily grow with it and race it in time. Here is the class assocation http://www.albacore.org.uk/ - http://www.albacore.org.uk/

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Posted By: Riggin
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 2:45pm
Our club has a wayfarer that we can try when we have completed the course. They look plenty big enough if not slightly too big. I’m going to look at the Albacore it sounds a good boat, thanks for the picture.
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Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 5:09pm
I think the RS Vision fits your needs prefectly.
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Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 18 May 05 at 5:34pm
What club do you sail at riggin??!
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Posted By: Riggin
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 8:12am
TheSeaFalcon - Nottinghamshire County Sailing Club.
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Posted By: lemeouttahere
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Riggin
Our club has a wayfarer that we can try when we have completed the course. They look plenty big enough if not slightly too big. I’m going to look at the Albacore it sounds a good boat, thanks for the picture.
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how about a wanderer then?
Their class asoc page is http://www.wanderer.org.uk/try_a_wanderer.htm - www.wanderer.org.u k
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Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 8:09pm
DO NOT TOUCH AN OMEGA! they are hell!
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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 8:15pm
not too bad, but sooooo hard to right again after a capsize.
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:24pm
i'd go for the laser 2000 as well. I sailed one last year at Fed Week
for the first time and it was suprisingly nice to sail. It was quite
windy and was suprisingly fast with the kite up. Saying that, at no
point did i feel that we were going to capsize... (unlike other boats
which i sail!) I've not sailed an omega but i saw one at the dinghy
show and wasn't impressed by its design and WEIGHT. not sure of the
exact weight difference but it looked heavy.
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Posted By: maxim
Date Posted: 19 May 05 at 10:30pm
There's a couple of Omegas at my club - they just
don't seem very good... Not hugely fast, not very
maneuverable, really heavy, and always do REALLY
badly (whether or not this is the fault of those who
sail them or not...) I just wouldn't want to own one at
all, on the other hand - a laser 2000 - much better
idea.
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Posted By: hairymonster
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 11:59pm
Riggin you totally need a Vision.
Its got your name all over it
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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 11:21am
Check out the RS Vision v Laser 2000 thread as well. I'm going through the
same decision-making process.
I'd not considered the Omega but wonder if I should add it to the equation.
There are some negative comments about it here, but is it really that bad?
I must confess, after being brought up with Wayfarers etc I've not desire to
go down that route. I really want something more modern and livier.
Phil
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Posted By: danielhawkes
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 10:52pm
Food for thought - the 2nd hand market for L2k's is such that they are normally only for sale for a matter of days and command a high price. This, of course, is only a good thing, but may affect your decision if you can't afford or don't want to go new.
I sail one reguraly (not mine though), we have 8 or so at our club with a wide range of skill. People all seam to manage them, yet they really do go in a blow with the kite up.
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Posted By: gandgclark
Date Posted: 10 Jun 05 at 10:43pm
I bought an Omega last September. We sail it on an inland lake and had
been very happy with its performance. We bought it as a family boat and
regularly sail it with 2 adults and 2 children on board, but it could
easily take up to 5 adults. We have been sailing in light to medium
winds and have found with its relatively large sail area it performs
well and is great fun especially with the large asymmetric up. I
hear people find it hard to rig but we have no problems its easier than
a laser 2000 to rig. Being plastic it has taken lots of knocks but
still looks good. I recently entered it in an asymmetric regatta,
which took place in a force 5 gusting 6. I have to say I was
disappointed in the asymmetry performance, it seemed it was too
powerful it required a great deal of skill to prevent it capsizing! It
is maybe my lack of skill but I had been sailing a laser 2000 the day
before in the same conditions with no problems. I have since found some
rigging tips on the topper site and will try them and see if this
improves things. That said it performed well on the final day in a
force 4 against laser 2000s. I had up until that weekend been very
happy with it; if you want a good value, tough,fun, family boat then
don’t listen to the others, see Topper and go try one.
------------- Biscuit
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