Skiff harness
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Topic: Skiff harness
Posted By: Iain C
Subject: Skiff harness
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 11:18pm
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Hi I'm after a new harness to go Cherubbing in as I don't like the way my old harness comes undone, snags on everything and weighs a ton. I've narrowed it down to... Banks Skiff Pro (favorite at the mo) P&B made to measure RMW Rush Banks Radial Gill Skiff I'd really appreciate any feedback anyone has on these harnesses (and that is from people who have actually used them!!) before I order. I have to say I like the look of the Banks one as it it won't get too grubby and have had good reports from some 49er sailors at my club. I do quite like the RMW one too, but with my yellow Cherub with kevlar sails, black racks and big yellow kite I don't want to be accused of being a Greenhalgh wannabe!! Has anyone tried the new Gill one? It looks comfy but looks a little bit strappy and complicated for my liking. Also, if I go for the QRH option, has anyone got any preferences over the RWO or SeaSure system? Cheers in advance, Iain ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 11:58pm
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I'd recommend a bespoke made one. As long as you don't intend putting
on any weight. And then it's down to how good you think the fitting / measurement info and manufacture are. I've got a Batt one. Which would of been great if it wasn't a little bit to small and the webbing strap was longer.  But I have also had one of the skiff style adjustables and no
matter what the guy in the shop tells you, even if you have the cover up velco panels that make everything flush, it will still catch on something. One of the joys of a really short boat in which most of it is foredeck! So i still use the Batt one even though I have to do an impression of an eel getting in and out.  In terms of quick release I've got a knife.------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 Apr 05 at 8:23am
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Rush made to measure combined with a Gerber EZ out rescue knife. ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Apr 05 at 9:09am
| The Banks radial works for me for comfort and low snag factor, but with the caveat that the stitching on the white panels falls off as son as it goes near the aggressive nonslip on Halo's floor. Banks have promised to take a look at it and redo it, but I haven't had a chance to drop it off there. |
Posted By: Dead Air
Date Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 11:14am
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I'll lend you my rush one sometime to try, monday morning perhaps? |
Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 8:33pm
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I would definatly say a P&B made to measure, they come with the RWO quick release hook which you have to have next year if you want to race. There really comfortable, durable and very light. ------------- 49er GBR5 http://www.teamfletcherandsign.co.uk - teamfletcherandsign.co.uk Team Fletcher and Sign campaign site |
Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 30 Apr 05 at 9:18am
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You don't need a quick release hook.
They are just banning the little rubber thing which holds the hook onto the ring. ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 30 Apr 05 at 5:19pm
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Where did you get that information from? I have looked at the ISAF site but they have not yet published the minutes of the meeting where this was being discussed. Do you have an contact on the inside? ------------- 
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 04 May 05 at 10:02pm
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For my 2p (and having used one a fair bit...) I would go for the P&B made to measure. A little awkward to get in and out of but it's the only harness I have used and felt comfy in all day! Have you finally got your Cherub afloat the Ian? Last time I saw you there was some experimentation with and RS700 mast I believe..... Regards, Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 05 May 05 at 1:30pm
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Where does it say that the RWO quick releise hook complies with ISAF rule? ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 05 May 05 at 1:35pm
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From what I've heard, a lot of the quick-release systems are still not EU compliant..... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 05 May 05 at 5:08pm
RWO say it does but since ISAF STILL haven't provided any guidlines to the rule we will just have to wait and see. It appears though that all of the manufacturers are happy to say that their product complies with the new rule....... -------------
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Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 07 May 05 at 9:11pm
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i've got a gill harness and it seems to be o.k. its not that heavy and gill seem to have a long life! ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: H336 SX
Date Posted: 11 May 05 at 11:06pm
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hey Dont get the gill skiff harness i used it for the lond distance race in carnac. And it was useless after an hour. Shooting back pains for the whole race Hope that was any use H336 SX |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 12 May 05 at 1:14am
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alright Iain, I bought a crewsaver adjustable nappy harness the other week. It's not quick release but i see that as a bonus as i don't like any of the current designs and think that they're more unsafe than a fixed hook. The harness is really comfortable and i think is better than the custom ones as you can adjust it depending on how many layers you are wearing. The other bonus is that all the adjustments are covered so that you don't end up getting caught on everything. Feel free to have a go with it at the weekend. worth the money in my book Tim ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 26 Aug 05 at 3:41pm
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Downunder the most popular harness for skiff racing is a custom one from the sail maker. Mine is adjustable with rope (6mm) on the sides(great when you put on weight from the BEER) and also you don't look like a goose putting it on. From the boucing a 12 does we get the "pressing" of our hooks welded in, as these have a habit of pulling out It doesn't snag on anything, no velco, no straps, no superfulace junk. Weight, well it doesn't realy matter what weight it is, unless at all you races your gear gets weighed, so its all good mate ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 28 Aug 05 at 11:38am
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Thanks for the advice guys. I ended up going for the Banks skif pro jobbie with the RWO QRH system. Seems to work fine (once I threw away the rubber retainer!) although I am a little concerned that the mechanism seems very susceptible to sand entry which makes it more trick to "eject" (regardless of trying to flush it with clean water) although I'm yet to try this in anger! Unlike my old self-undoing Magic Marine one (ok it is very old) there is NOTHING to snag on anything save the hook itself. And with no buckles at all around your waist/arse area you don't start digging them into the foam of the boat if you fall over or struggle getting back in after a swim. It has got much more comfy as it has "worn in" although the shoulder strap could do with shortening a bit. Banks were also really good when there were some delivery problems (carrier, not Banks). I'd certainly recommend it/them.
------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 2:56pm
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i have the magic marine skiff light harness, seems excellent noting catches anywhere and its well comfy. Hate the stupid quick release things on any harness, stupid idea if u ask me. ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 3:20pm
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I have the Magic Marine Smart harness with their quick release system. This system looks pretty sturdy and would be difficult to release accidetally. I have not seen the RWO system except in the adverts - it looks like the button release system could be too easy to release, especially when you don't want it to. However the fact that it saves your hook on the trapeze ring and can be re-used immediately looks good. Shame that Iain C cut away the plastic retainer. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: guytoon
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 3:22pm
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I also have the magic marine skiff light harness which I was considering as excellent until the bottom was beginning to let the moon appear after 1 year and a half. As you know int 14 is not especially THE boat where you sit on the wings. I think that my last Cherub experiences may have achieved my Harness (stupid spinny block I'll probably move to a Banks harness soon. ------------- Cherub 2692 "NBS" |
).Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 30 Aug 05 at 9:46pm
| Yes my Magic Marine is wearing badly in the bum, but if you want an adjustable harness this seems to be the best. I have a Banks off-the-shelf for my use but occasionally I take out the odd crew and so I need an adjustable. Having nearly drowned once by getting snagged on a buckle I use a Magic Marine because all the buckles are covered with velcro - but even they catch occasionally. I have never been snagged by a hook - the new rule was clearly devised by somebody who doesn't trapeze. |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 01 Sep 05 at 7:45pm
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yeah, it should be more to do with having your buckles covered cause they are the dangerous things. the hook is quite difficult to snag and it should come out again quite easy as the space between the hook and the harness where you attach, is quite big ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 11:14am
I was worried about the button being too easy to press but it is flush with it's plastic housing so will only release if you really need it to. I have climbed in over the back of my Cherub numerous times and never released it yet by accident. It was this fact that made me take the plastic hook retainer off...but it's not cut, just removed, so I could put it back on if required. On the Cherub, you have no main jammer, so to tack from the wire I pass the main to my tiller hand, reach up for the handle and unhook using the elastic tension on the trapeze loop. You just don't have enough time or enough hands to disenage the hook halfway across the boat. ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 02 Sep 05 at 11:20am
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Neither had I until last weekend when one of the Fireball crews at my club slipped off the centreboard of her boat when capsized and stuck the hook through the bottom of the boat. The hook then would not pull out at all. The boat then turtled with her face down on the bottom of the boat. It was a MM ladies' harness and teh only way out (other than using the knife) was to undo the straps and get out of the harness which she did OK. Had the boat been mast upwind and righted itself, it could have rapidly got very nasty, as she would have then been stuck underneath it underwater, with positive bouyancy keeping her where she was. Yikes!! Needless to say she is off to the chandlery for a new QR spreader bar... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
