Fireball?
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Topic: Fireball?
Posted By: aj3001
Subject: Fireball?
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 10:08am
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I am 16 and looking to spend up to £1000 on a dinghy, I reguarly race
so I need a boat that is quick however I am only 10 Stone so it needs
to be one that isnt so heavy I cannot recover it during a capsize. I
have been looking at a fireball, I am aware that I will not be able to
sail this boat single handed (which I normally would) in high winds,
what over boats can you recomend? My local lakes where I would prefere to sale have a 14ft restriction on boat size, nothing over that length permitted however if it is for a boat I would really like, for example a fireball I would sail elsewhere. |
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 10:56am
| If you would normally be planning to sail single-handed, and you want a boat to race, you should be looking at a boat which is designed to be a single-hander. Laser Radial or Europe would come to mind (plenty of cheap Europes for sale at the moment, I'm told. Or have I misunderstood something? |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 7:01pm
Im going to have to agree, If you are looking for a boat you can sail single handed on a regular basis and still be able to race, get yourself a single handed boat, but if you are looking for a 2person boat that can still be compatative one up (for those days where the crew is being less than comited) that is a different matter, and the question as to if a fire ball fits into this category will have to be answered by someone else.. (que a more informative post  )------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 9:56pm
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Yeah the fireball can be sailed out on the wire by a 10 stone person singly until it gets about force 4 and by then you should only have the mian anyway but you will probably need to bear away and sheet out a fair bit when it gets windy. You can get a good fireball for £1000 tho! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: aj3001
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 10:01pm
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At the moment I race using a Comet Duo, sailing single handed with main
and jib and I can win series easy in it but I want something more fun
and faster, something that has been designed to race. The Europe looks nice and I will look at it, nothing against the Laser series but I just wouldn't go for one, they are too common for me I would prefere something less common |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 24 Apr 05 at 7:15am
| If you want something a bit unusual, are 10 stone and don't expect to get a lot heavier in the next couple of years, how about an Int Moth? |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 24 Apr 05 at 9:31pm
| There's a Europe going at my club, carbon mast, £500. You could do worse - they are a proper little thorough-bred much nicer than a Laser. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 6:48am
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I'd second that - lovely responsive boats. I was talking to someone recently who has traded in her (now almost worthless) Europe for a Laser Radial, following the ISAFs decision. She is not a happy bunny about the change. She also pointed out that the Europe can be optimised for quite a wide weight range while the Radial cannot be. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 1:10pm
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What about the Laser 2 for a double hander, nice boat to sail and maybe a little less demanding than a fireball, the layoout is a lot simpler and I think she has less sail and can almost keep up with a "Ball". The Europe idea seems really good though. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 12:47pm
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I myself would recommend a buzz (for obvious reasons) as it has a trapeze like a fireball and its not to difficult to sail single handed on the wire and your weight should be fine to sail single handed (up to about F4) and you should be able to right it fine as well jp |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 2:17pm
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10 stone single hander with a WL resticted to under 14ft for under £1000
= Int Moth. Europe ( may be difficult to sell on ), MX Ray ( may be difficult to sell on ) but mega fun it has an asymetric, and will be difficult to sail well in a small sheltered lake. That applies to the Moth as well. and then theres the Byte or lightening, you'd get a lightening for less than £1000 but a Byte with new rig may be tricky. Light weights 2 man boat that you can single hand for less that a £1000, sorry guys it has to be a UK Cherub. At the end of the day it depends on the lake, and what sort of condition boat you are prepaired to live with. But I'd go for a MX Ray, Moth or Cherub. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 4:51pm
| Or, if you really want to learn how to race, rather than just blast along in a straight line, get a Firefly. |
Posted By: Team beef
Date Posted: 14 Jul 05 at 7:34pm
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You could get a pretty old but still good to race RS 600 most of them are above £1000 but with the amount that are for sale then you could probably knock the price down a few hundered quid, a reefeable rig if youre on the light side and bloody awesome as well; also i know someone who races one on quite restricted water fine so no worries bout running out of lake. And a fireflea you gotta be kidding the poor guy is already sailing a comet duo which is in essence the same boat so not much of a change. Best bet look at the racing classes review to se whats on offer. ------------- RS600 781 www.evolutionsailing.com Ever had a boat that beats you up? |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Jul 05 at 8:23pm
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? How is a Comet Duo the same as a Firefly? A firefly has a massive following, especially among student age people, and is a very responsive boat sailed by some very good helms. The Duo is a small class, where very few, if any, are being built, and the standard of compitition isn't very high. I would imagine, though, that he made his choice long ago... |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 2:46am
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Agree with both. Def don't mess about with a two man boat - waste of time and effort and no proper PY to race with. BTW whats wrong with 'common'? They're common because they're good. Or are you more interested in making a fashion statement than sailing a boat that will provide good racing? You still haven't told us where you sail - ie how big is it? |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 12:15pm
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Laser radial, or why not a full rig I know a 12 year old who sails full rig n he's tiny...!!!!!!!!!! Gets a bit extreme.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |