Tiller Extentions!
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Tiller Extentions!
Posted By: tgruitt
Subject: Tiller Extentions!
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 5:40pm
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Ok. What is everones favorite tiller extension? Specially made carbon ones, carbon fishing rods, glass fibre fishing rods, garden canes, aluminium ones, plastic tubing reinforced with another plastic tube (will and his cherub Aquamarina) or any other suggestions? I gotta go with the carbon ones, they seem to have more feel, but do snap a bit though! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 5:44pm
I personally like "RED WOLF" carbon tiller extensions, got a very nice silver fade paint scheme.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 6:22pm
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you just cant beat the old 'Carp Thief' landing net handle for value. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 6:27pm
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the red wolves were originally designed as landing nets but seem a bit
over engineered for that! I don't know if we have any keen fisherman(or
woman) in this forum but why does the landing net handle have to be so
light?! Seems a bit pointless to me, specially as the cast iron screw
fitting in the end weighs more than the pole itself!
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Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 6:33pm
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The best have to be - the home made kevlar tiller - weighs nothing,
less snappable than a carbon one and can be home made for under a fiver
for two - used by quite a few 14s!
------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 8:02pm
Carbon Hot stick - Expensive but the Biz  ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 8:48pm
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.... specially as the cast iron screw
fitting in the end weighs more than the pole itself! [/QUOTE] yer but you cut that bit off. And when they cost £10 as opposed to £65 or whatever the shops charge I think i can afford the couple of grams extra! Esspesially when you need two long ones!! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 8:53pm
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I love my rooster carbon tiller and extension on the Laser, givs so
much more feel than that alloy ones. I also say it beats the Laser
supplied XD carbon sticks too (just MHO). Enables me to get the horse lower and use less tension on it. Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 18 Apr 05 at 9:33pm
ah yeah, i found out in the cutting off that the end was the heavy bit!
i considered sanding a little of the paint off to cut weight
too...... 
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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 2:18am
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I must say that i had sum super sexy carp handels on my cherub, but the rooster ones on my 49er are also rather shibby! They seem to grip better in my paw, or perhaps my new 99p gardening gloves with that added grip help?!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 1:37pm
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Following my experements with plastic tubing on (AquaMarina before I sold her)I am thinking of experimenting with bamboo possibly reinforced with glass strategicaly. I have been looking for a carp net but all the ones I have seen have been two peice even the one that was advertised as "An awesome battle stick for hunting and catching carp" ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 3:32pm
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Phil, a friend of mine used bamboo on his 600 - swore by it! as even the little notches added grip, and could take abuse and would snap too quickly. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: sargethesailor
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 9:51pm
| If you're worried about breaking carbon buy a rooster - unsnappable even with 95kg hanging on it over the sharp edge of an rs 300 DECK! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 10:06pm
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hmmm, but i could most likely break 7 of my red wolves and still have change in my pocket for the price of one of them!
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 19 Apr 05 at 10:28pm
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Some people who used bamboo carryed a spare inside there boom or wherever on the boat cause then if u snaped it, it was easily replaced and it doesnt exactly add weight! ------------- 
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 20 Apr 05 at 1:35am
email Phil at SKiff Asia about that one - that is what they are doing with their 29ers so they can singlehand from the wire...(phil"at"skiffasia.com)... |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 20 Apr 05 at 1:44pm
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I was looking in a local diy shop and they had a bundle of about 20 bamboo canes for £2.50 so I think that may be the way forward. Carrying a spare in the boom is definatly a good idea, The only problem I see is sleaving the bamboo over the UJ as the internal diam seems a bit small ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 20 Apr 05 at 2:14pm
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you can get bamboo in all sorts of sizes, admitidly the larger stuff will b harder to come by n might b slightly more expensive. Or does anyone know who makes smaller UJs (might b another way) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 20 Apr 05 at 3:03pm
| bamboo is really great i think! i used to sail with it and it was a fine handling. only problem is that bamboo is much too heavy. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 20 Apr 05 at 11:37pm
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I always carry a spare - even now! a telescopic fishing rod! :-) Rooster never snap ehh - pervious owner managed to snap my rooster tiller-x on my 49er! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 3:55am
That is where the 3" length of garden hose comes in to play - sleeve the hose over the UJ and then over the bamboo... |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 11:06am
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Or another one which I had on the Moth - the white pipe, electrical I think - available from B&Q, but is quite bendy...................... ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 1:24pm
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I have used plastic pipe for tiller extentions on hiking boats for years and it works great. When I started twining on Aqua I made longer ones out of the same plastic pipe. It was all fine till I started going down wind got a bit of lee helm and the whole thing went like a banana, instant bearaway and swim. hence the rather agricultural reinforecement that was on at the blast. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 1:40pm
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HAHA - thought it looked a bit over-engineered! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 7:36pm
Had the same problem singlehanding Halo (my Cherub) a few years back. The extra distance is just too much for plastic pipe - think about 3 feet is the max:-) |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 7:42pm
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sounds fun plasic pipe always looks scruffy though ------------- |
Posted By: IanP
Date Posted: 22 Apr 05 at 7:28pm
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OK I have my lovely new carbon carp pole - sorry tiller, If it was a alu pole I'd drill a small hole and use a small tapping screw, or pin, but what's recommended for carbon -help ------------- Ian Paterson 800 922 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 22 Apr 05 at 8:21pm
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ok so i have no idea on that question - sorry. but i have a question of my own, looking through some class rules, it seems that the tiller extension doens have to be a fixed weight just the rudder 'unit' needs to be a minimum weight. Is this the same for the classes that you guys are making these tiller extentions for, Just wondering if the weight is that much of an issue. (hope that made sense) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 22 Apr 05 at 8:53pm
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well what i did...... drill a hole through it and then stick a pin
through. then ducktape it up. it doesn't seem really strong but it's
not gonna come apart. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 22 Apr 05 at 9:16pm
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you can use any aluminium and steel on carbon it does not react. if you look how much aluminium and steel react its amazing we still put them togther! i try not to! ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 9:17pm
i love gorrilla tillers their great but any carbon fiber light weight extension will do me! ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 23 Apr 05 at 9:48pm
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Yeah what are thouse gorillla tillers? i have never worked it out, are they carbon fibre? ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 1:17am
I wouldn't try it with aluminium - it does react and corrode...stainless steel is the best choice. |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 11:36am
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the gorrila tillers are aluminium ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 1:12pm
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A few of the extentions mentioned in this topic have been for Cherubs where there is no mention of the rudder in the rules. However the boat is weighed without these bits in them when it is measured, so the lighter the un-measured bits are the better as that will keep your total weight down ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 1:56pm
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I wouldn't try it with aluminium - it does react and corrode...stainless steel is the best choice. [/QUOTE]Carbon will react with stainless as well - you'll see rust weeps - but its not usually so serious as they aren't so far apart on the elctrochemical scale as aluminium and carbon. Aluminium inside a carbon mast is a *really* bad idea BTW, the notorious failures of early 600 masts due to corrosion of the alloy sleeving is an excellent example. Apparently there are still SMODS with alloy sleeving in the mast which amazes me. no matter how much tape you wrap round it you're still going to get electrochemical corrosion over the long term, and having it where you can *never* see what's happening doesn't score an especially high common sense mark in my opinion. |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 25 Apr 05 at 5:42pm
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lol yeah i think that common sense wasnt very high on the agenda the day that was decided. Lol thnx granite that makes some sense, and realy NO mention of rudder, so you could sail with out one, (that would make for good boat handling and amusing sailing (to watch) but not good for winning i would expect) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |