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Topic: Driving in the snow
Posted By: timeintheboat
Subject: Driving in the snow
Date Posted: 21 Dec 09 at 10:04pm
I used to enjoy it now I hate it.

The volvo has traction control and winter settings but is auto - can't feel a thing. The wifes crappy corsa is way better - engine braking and you feel it twitch.





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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 21 Dec 09 at 10:07pm
I worry more about other people in the snow/ice!

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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 21 Dec 09 at 10:09pm
I've had no problems in my Volvo (touch wood) - 1998 V70, doesnt have TRACS or any of the other new fangled things.

Chuck it in "W"inter, keep the revs below 2000 (barely using that to pull away) and think further ahead than you usually would, treating the brakes as if you expect them not to work (Most of the time they wont!)

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 09 at 10:56pm

Villan a 98 V70 should have ABS, in fact i'm very suprised it doesn't have TC.  If you have ABS no need to treat them as if they don't work!

 

Oh and for the record i drove into the back of someone today!  Did about £20 damage to my car but about 2 hours of HS BS, plus i have to go to a body shop to get it repaired!!!



Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 7:47am
i just carried on using my push bike all i can say is dont use cycle paths as they dont grit them only the roads you just have to watch out for idoits who think they own the road


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 8:05am

I have a 1.2 Corsa and a Citroes Xsara Estate 2.0 HDi....

At the moment I much prefer the Corsa, it just gives a lots more feedback on the ice than than the Xsara, you can feel when you are going to slide.

Once of the guys at work has a BMW 320d, he has not been able to drive since the snow fell (he is a bit of a muppet for leaving his car on his drive as opposed to somehwere he knows he stands a chance of moving it).

Just take it easy but not too easy when the road is wet, nothing annoys me more than someone doing 15mph on a roads that has been treated and is a busy roads so there is no ice.....



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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 9:06am
I can see how an auto would be a bit of an annoyance- how on earth are you meant to get it in second and keep the revs low?

To add to the "crawling along completely clear, salted and gritted roads at 15mph"- if you've been using the 4WD on your Rangerover, you can switch back to 2WD once you're off the ice. It's obvious to pedestrians when you haven't...

Side streets around here are pretty much impassable by push bike- rutted ice. Nasty.

Meanwhile, I was up in Sheffield yesterday. Congratulations to the idiots that had gritted the footway down towards the station from the centre of town- it had so much grit that it was slippy. No ice, just slick with sand.

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Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 9:07am

The trouble in this country is that people only drive in the snow once of twice a year and many people don’t know how to drive on a slippery surface. I’ve always thought that a course at a skidpan should be a pre requisite to taking your test, and you should be enforced to redo it every 10 years.

Merlinboy I wouldn’t rely on an ABS system to keep control in the snow. Cadence braking is a much better solution. Most people can easily pump the brake much more effectively than the ABS.



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 9:13am
Well I just had the best drive to work in ages! Most of the roads have been gritted but there are a few sections of fresh tarmac which are ultra smooth which seem to ice up lovely! Its a shame when you need to rely on having a bit of ice to make your daily driver exciting but I guess you have to make the most of whilst you can! No ABS, no TC and good old FWD but still had to give it a 'dab of oppo' on a couple of occasions after coaxing the old girl round some corners with a little Scandinavian magic! Hmmmm, how long till home time?!

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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 9:21am
I have a subaru outback with a horizontally aligned boxer engine.....whatever that is 

It is an automatic but it has a special snow button you can press (sorry to be girly, I have no idea what this button does).  Hence we were the only car to make it up the slope out of the car park without needing to be pushed!  We got a round of applause from all the pushers!

I love my car!




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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 9:36am

Having just written off my old car I now have a 406 for my commute to and from work

 

Oh and I bought an old Landy on Friday - just have to wait an age to get it.  Be just my luck that when I finally do get it there will be bugger all snow in which to drive it



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Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 10:19am
Originally posted by Laser 173312

The trouble in this country is that people only drive in the snow once of twice a year and many people don’t know how to drive on a slippery surface. I’ve always thought that a course at a skidpan should be a pre requisite to taking your test, and you should be enforced to redo it every 10 years.

Merlinboy I wouldn’t rely on an ABS system to keep control in the snow. Cadence braking is a much better solution. Most people can easily pump the brake much more effectively than the ABS.



Back in the depths of time there was a hall of residence with a large car park within a s. coast sailing town with a delli football team. When sailing was cancelled due to frozen lakes then a good 45 minutes was spent practising pirouettes, handbrake turns, j turns and the rest on the icedover but empty car park.. Good fun and a useful skills process too..


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 10:59am

It's chaos out ther; some people need to learn how to drive and understand what the handbrake is for!!!!!

Not had any problme with ice or snow in my sh*tty litte leon!  drive with care; think ahead; unsettle the car (handbrake) when YOU want it to slide and then correct as required.

 

the number of people I see spinning wheels wildly trying to get up slight hills!

 

 



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Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 11:30am
It took me 15.5 hours to get from Dorking to Weymouth
yesterday. I somehow managed to get myself into a zone in
the middle of nowhere where all the roads out were
blocked.

Eventually got through to Basingstoke and was stuck there
until Midnight where I gave up and decided to grab a few
hours kip in the Toys'R'us carpark. Had another go at 3am
and got home at 5:30 this morning

Quite and adventure!

Incidentally, our Tigra couldn't keep up with a Corsa in
front on the really sketchy stuff. Both cars are the same
underneath only ours has ridiculously wide tyres for the
size of the car.

I should imagine if it was law to use winter tyres in the
UK as it is in say Austria, we wouldn't have half the
trouble when it snows but could we really justify the
cost for a few dodgy days a year?

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Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 11:42am

Took me just over 7 hours to get from Windsor to Oxford last night (usually takes 40 minutes).

Yes, the roads were snow covered and slippery, but the main problem was the a***holes in their BMWs trying to nail it everywhere and spinning out, and driving 3 feet behind the car in front and wondering why they didn't stop when they put their brakes on.

Front wheel drive and a big heavy diesel engine's what you need (not just for snow, but for towing boats too).



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 12:07pm
I guess the thing is, is that you shouldn't really drive in the snow! It's a bit dangerous really.

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 1:36pm
puuuuuuussssssssaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!

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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 2:27pm
Driving in snow gives you car icicles



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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 2:31pm
When snow and ice isn't readily available, try nicking a few hub cabs and stick them under the rear wheels (on a front wheel drive car) and put handbrake on!  Awesome fun!


Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 4:57pm
I was taught how to stop on sheet ice when I was learning to drive- my instructor took me to an empty car park, and made me "emergency stop" both with and without ABS a few times. A useful session.

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 6:33pm
IIts called Cadence Braking, if i remeber correctly!


Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 6:49pm

We are currently sat in a hotel room in Jasper, Canada, in the middle of a blizzard. We have the TV on and the presenters on Canadian and US news channels are genuinely laughing at the UK “cold snap”. What they are failing to mention is that hardly any cars in the UK would have winter tyres, our gritting services are a joke and we generally are not set up for any prolonged periods of cold as we don’t get them very often.


On the other side of that when we arrived in Calgary a week last Sunday it was -30
°C. We picked up the hire car and I had never driven on the wrong side of the road or used an automatic before. We drove out into the unknown, straight on to the motorway, which was an experience. However, everyone has winter tyres, knows how to drive properly in the conditions, drives courteously, gives everyone else plenty of room and as yet we have not seen any incidents on the roads.

Last Sunday we drove a road called the “Columbia Icefields Parkway”. We passed a couple of glaciers, while at -20°C, climbed to 2100m and the hire car, with TCS, ABS and full auto did not struggle at all. We’ve had some ahem “fun” on some mountain passes with the hire car (in my head I am as good a driver as Sebastian Loeb - honest), all in the name of experimentation I should add. Everything and everyone just seems to cope over here as they are fully set up for it. Even the road grit over here seems to be a different sort. The lumps are bigger, almost stoney. It doesn’t so much melt the snow, although I guess it does to an extent, but more dig in under your tyre to give you grip. All in all we are loving driving over here when, to be honest, I was really nervous about it before we arrived.



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Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 7:14pm

 "Why doesn't Scotland grind to a halt when it snows? "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8418457.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8418457.stm  

Then a few days later:

"Snow and ice cause major problems across Scotland"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8425837.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8425837.stm

 



Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 7:16pm
Gotta say my 1.0 corsa is finding the snow a doddle...It's the pricks that pull out in front of you when you've got a nice pace going up hill that cause the issues especially as all the roads going to my house are uphill  I've also found that 4X4 drivers are the least likely to stop and help...clearly a chip on their shoulders after all the climate change abuse they get.

Be safe guys


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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 7:20pm

Fact is, ice and compacted snow are much more grippy at -20 than at 0 degrees, as they don't melt and become slippery when you drive over them. Our conditions are actually more difficult than many 'cold' countries.

Problem with modern cars (apart from auto boxes) is that so many are cursed with wide, high speed rated tyres, and a tyre with rubber hard enough to withstand 140mph is not going to grip on ice. That lesson was brought home to me years ago when I had two successive cars identical except that one had 175/70 SR rated tyres and the next was on 185/70 HR rated of the same make (just the next speed rating higher and one size wider). The difference was like night and day - the SR tyres would go most places, the HR's struggled to get up the slightest gradient.

When I lived in Germany, I had Q-rated winter tyres. Fantastic when it snowed, but no way i'd bother having them over here - the expense, the need to store the summer tyres somewhere, and the hassle of swapping them over and back again every year, when every other year I wouldn't even get to use them on snow...

That's our problem as a nation, it's questionable if it's worth investing in more anti-snow measures. Mind you, if you look at the loss to the UK economy of all those working days lost when people can't (or choose not to be able to) get to work, maybe it could make sense, but who should pay and how?



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Fact is, ice and compacted snow are much more grippy at -20 than at 0 degrees, as they don't melt and become slippery when you drive over them. Our conditions are actually more difficult than many 'cold' countries.

Yes, ice is definitely less slippery at -20.... urrr ok....

The conditions at home are no more difficult than anywhere else, just we arent geared up for them at all.



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Posted By: pete_chinnock
Date Posted: 22 Dec 09 at 11:55pm
So, i had a driving lesson in the snow yesterday, and it
was the best one ever!
Really enjoyed it, its much more planned and tactical.

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