Drifting onto bouy whilst mast isin the w
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Topic: Drifting onto bouy whilst mast isin the w
Posted By: djdhi
Subject: Drifting onto bouy whilst mast isin the w
Date Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 10:09am
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Hi, if I drift onto a bouy whilst capsized, ie with the mast inthe water--- is that an infringement ? djdhi |
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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 10:18am
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Yes, whilst a boat is racing., rule 31 Touching a mark applies So if you touch the starting mark before starting, a mark that begins, bounds or ends a leg of the course which you are sailing or a finishing mark after finishing, then you must take a penalty. Attention, there may still be classes in which class rules deem that a boat whose masthead touched the water has retired. It is in the standard SIs for team racing for instance. Gordon ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 8:34pm
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Well I never knew that. I'm intrigued to know which classes have ever (or still have) that rule? |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 9:16pm
| Dragons? |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 10:37pm
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International 14s. It is also in the standard UKTRA team racing SIs Gordon ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 8:57am
| It also depends if you are at an RS event, where touching of the marks is permitted. |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 9:18am
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Only at class events if it is written into the SIs. The act of buying an RS boat does not give a general dispensation from the RRS! The RS modification of rule 31 (which allows you to touch but not manhandle a mark) does not seem to have gained general acceptance outside RSworld. Does anyone believe that it is a modification worth using, or does the modification just mean that mark roundings are even more indisiplined? Gordon ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 10:00am
| Those of us who sometime sail around knarly barnacled navigation marks in a few knots of tide tend to view touching marks as a bad thing. |
Posted By: asterix
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 1:32pm
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It's also not only used for RS boats. I have competed events where Laser 4000s and 5000s have been allowed to touch the marks (but oddly not the L2000s). I don't understand why this is done |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 3:29pm
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Gordon, your right the modifications to the rule for RS boats only applies at RS events.
I have to say that being able to hit the marks in practice makes no difference at all to the way you sail as hitting the mark with the boat is slow. However it does reduce the number of protests and turns as nobody is concerned if your back brushes the mark as you sail by. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 4:48pm
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It also used to be in the rules that if you hit a mark you had to retire. Even at the Firefly Nationals as recently as 1985 that was the case. So be thankful the rules have changed. Does seem harsh that if you hit a mark while capsized you have to do turns, though! Shame the turns you do while trying to right the boat and having it blow over again don't count... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 29 Sep 09 at 8:12pm
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I would generally agree with that. However if you squeezed into a less than ample gap that you are not entitled to (but avoided infringing other boats), and gained substantial places because of it........ Could/has that happened in the RS fleet? What recourse could there be? Rule 2? |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 29 Sep 09 at 8:15pm
You might at least be able to claim one tack! |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:42pm
Just a note from the Interservice team racing. If you are forced into a mark as a result of avoiding an infringing boat (naughty Navy) you are NOT required to turn. I blew a winning combination as I wasn't sure ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 08 Oct 09 at 11:11am
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Tack'ho - not exactly true... A boat that touches a mark having been compelled to do so by a boat that broke a rule, may, under rule 64.1 c, be exonerated from having broken rule 31 BY THE PROTEST COMMITTEE. The exoneration is not automatic. If you are compelled to touch a mark you must protest the other boat. If you do not, and it is not established that you were compelled to hit the mark, then the only fact is that YOU broke a rule. This also applies to team racing - it is just that the protest are dealt with immediately by the umpires. Gordon ------------- Gordon |