Twin wire boat
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Topic: Twin wire boat
Posted By: Fans1024
Subject: Twin wire boat
Date Posted: 12 Sep 09 at 6:42pm
| I'm looking to get a twin wire assy boat. Done a fair amount of single wire assy sailing as a crew and a wee bit of 800 sailing. My helm has done a fair amount of helming from the wire. Our all up weight is probably in the region of 140kg+ with the bulk of the weight and height at the back. Budget £4000, but would like to spend less. At the mo we're looking at the 800, but are there any other boats we should consider? |
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Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 8:18pm
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Well there's always the 49er, you could pick up a perfectly serviceable example for £4000. More challenging than the
800, although a few have said the 800 is more exhilarating. ------------- Neil 
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 9:11am
There are other boats you could consider but I think your already looking in the right direction. BOSS - cheap, old, heavy, topper build quality but nice to sail in all conditions, difficult to find one still in one peice. L5k - cheap, old, heavy, fairly difficult to find them these days. Int 14 - for 4k you could probably get something that is just about competitive still, but they are tricky boats to sail. As was pointed out in the latest Y&Y its non-stop from the moment you leave the beach until you get back in. RS800 - in budget, good fleet, probably easiest twin stringer to sail, quick, and good support from RS. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 9:36am
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And you didn't mention the 'C' word. Very impressed. @ 140kg you'd be top
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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 9:58am
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fans you have pm.... ------------- |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 10:08am
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hi there's 3-4 5000s being advertised on the association website... boats are going for 1500-2000quid. I think there's another 2 on apollocuck as well. Great boat to sail.... and if you want to race, the assoc are very keen and helpful. Worth thinking about. Drop them a line on their forum if you're interested. (hopefully there's a boat near you which you can 'test drive' before you buy). http://www.laser5000.lasersailing.com/ - http://www.laser5000.lasersailing.com/
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Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 10:48am
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BOSS - How similar is this to the Spice? In terms of layout etc. 49er - How difficult are they to sail? Cherub [dare I type the word] - How much would a half decent 97 rules be? Also, just how much swimming would be involved? In terms of sheet loads, and bare in mind I'm girl but find the 800 sheet loads totally managable. Also, what order would you put the boats in regard to ease to sail? Massive thanks |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 11:23am
Hi - class rules haven't changed - still a bag system of the 5000. Though operation is a little different, it is works well nevertheless.
Hi - the 5000 has considerably higher loads than the 800 - it is very much a powerful heavier boat. Saying that were some girls racing them recently so if you're up for it.... do a testdrive if you can. The main advantage they are considerably cheaper than alternatives. I found them a super boat to sail- very exciting... also good solid and stable platform to sail from and surprisingly forgiving.- I used to take novice sailors out on mine - something I would n't do poss. on some alternatives. All the best with the boat hunting. regards to the BOSS - I almost bought one when I went for the 5000. There was a very good comparison/review of the 2 boats in DinghySailingMagazine (Jan 2005 or 2006). |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 12:11pm
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I left the 49er out of my list because its one hell of a step from a conventional boat, and given you havnt been twin stringing on anything else you might find yourself not doing an awful lot of sailing in the short term if you got one. They are beautiful boats to sail but as a beginner you'll probably struggle with boat handling initially and they arnt the most forgiving boat.
The BOSS is very similar in layout to the 5000 and similar sail plan, although a bigger kite and second set of spreaders were added later. The big advantage is they have a chute. Sheet loads are pretty high on the kite though! I didnt mention the SPICE as there just arnt enough of them out there to really justify it and the support from Wet & Windy will be patchy. Cherubs, are a possiblity although a bit wobbly for a first stab at this type of boat. That said, Phil Kirks 97 rules boat (Slippery When Wet) which is a DOG design,will be for sale shortly and seems relatively sensible to sail, and is well built and reliable, and I would guess would leave you with lots of cash in your pocket. If you want a one design though I think the 800 is the best bet. If you want something a bit different then a 97 cherub thats well put together would certainly enable you to develop your skills and contrary to popular belief the Cherub guys are a good bunch, DOGS and SLUGS seem to be the nicest 97 rules boats. The P7 is quick but a bit wobbly so probably best avoided. |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 1:09pm
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fans you have more pm's.... ------------- |
Posted By: haroosh
Date Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 1:15pm
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Stick with your idea of the 800. Its got everything going for it. I have had 2 over the years one sailing with my wife and the other with a friend and it is so versatile to different crew/helm weight combinations. They also will hold their value best and cost least to keep in bits out of all the things being discussed here. |
Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 15 Sep 09 at 2:37pm
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So, its down to an I14 or RS800... must resist the crazy part of me saying the 49er is the prefect option. Another boat or type of boat I discounted was a multihull, merely because I've never really sailed one. Blasting one on holiday doesn't really count. Having no real knowledge of cats the first one springs to mind is the Hobie 16 - any good? Basically, I would be looking for the same things in the cat as the monohull. Aka
Again massive thanks for everyone's help so far. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Sep 09 at 2:42pm
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Frans an I14 will be just as much of a challenge as a 9er and at £4k you will probably go as fast as a 9er. Be carefull if you think its an easier option fella! ------------- |
Posted By: Wee Man
Date Posted: 15 Sep 09 at 6:55pm
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There's a Hobie Tiger F18 for sale on the F18 website for £3250 Bargain http://www.f18.org.uk/forums.asp?messageID=2445 - http://www.f18.org.uk/forums.asp?messageID=2445
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 15 Sep 09 at 11:33pm
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Get 'The Flying Kipper'. 97/05 dog and will go faster than
anything else mentioned (top end) and you'll definitely need nappies when it's breeze on. VERY CHEAP, solid and nicely sorted boat/rig. Check the Cherub 'for sale' section on the website. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 1:19pm
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If you are seriously concerned that your skill level is not high enough to jump into a 49er then discount the 14 immediately.
RS800 is the sensible choice. As for Cats, your at the top end of Spitfire weight but if you have Cats in your club then you'd do well to find anything better. If you can sail a normal boat then you'll be able to sail a Cat, it just takes a bito f time to work out that its actually desirable to have it heeled over. As Wee Man says an F18 would be a good buy, but they are heavy boats, and unless you have some already at your club, you'll spend too many races light years infront of the rest of the fleet which sounds great but the novelty wears off pretty quick once you've sat around between races for more time than you were racing! anyway just to emphasise my suggestion RS800 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 1:41pm
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No-one seems to have mentioned the key point - go sail some! There is really a good deal of difference between the different boats, and you need to find out what appeals to you...
The 49er is power, brute power and lots of it, but plenty of length to help out. The 800 is definitely the steadiest and most moderate, but it could be argued that a moderate extreme boat is something of an odd concept... The 14 is again brute power, but short with it, and with an awful lot more complexity in gear and setup. the Cherub is the lightest of the lot and also the shortest, but with a slightly less extreme sail plan than some. Oh and multihulls have huge sails and amazing upwind and moderate wind speed, but score less points in the bouncing over waves downhill department. All of these things will appeal to some folk and not to others, which is why the team neeed to jump into some boats and try them out... |
Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 1:50pm
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As a cat sailor I would say to stay clear of a hobie 16, they were never
designed for a kite and in my opinion are horrid to sail. As has been mentioned you are looking at a spitfire or f18 for that money. You may also be able to pick up a hurricane sx. The f18 and hurricane are pretty big heavy noats but great fun. The only thing to watch with f18 is because it is a box rule the boats have moved on over the years. An old hawk or inter18 will still be great fun but are not competitive machines |
Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 4:25pm
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Depends on the design of the boats really the ovi 2 14's were quite a stable as they are a lot wider then the new ones. but as a few people have said get out and badger people for a sail in one. yes rs800 is a good compromise but if you serious on twin wire then you need to look at off the boom sheeting etc and crew taking the main.
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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 17 Sep 09 at 8:47am
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Hear hear neal. Im not sure why some people think 14's are harder to sail than 800's. Very strange. Some of the latest £15k+ monsters may be as quick as a 49er but with more modern sail controls and full carbon rig (ok i know new 49ers have carbon masts), t-foils etc they could be considered more controlable. The older new rules 14's (ok so I'm biased as I have one I am trying to sell) are as stable as an 800, if not more so. And my other half who has crewed for me in both an 800 and a 14 reckons the sheet loads from the kite are actually less in our 14! I agree with Neal, the 800 is the obvious choice if you want serious class racing with good open circuit, but if you want a cheap blasting toy that will do well on handicap in club races then an older 14 definitely fits the bill! ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 17 Sep 09 at 4:11pm
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The 14 is a hard boat to pigeon hole really, any boat say less then 10 years old is going to be harder to get round the course then an 800. Kite loads depend entirely on the type of kite you have. As an example on the loads and wear on a i14, i went through two pairs of those Showa builders gloves at Abersoch dinghy week in 07 (obviously i play the main as well) Kite hoists and drops on a newer 14 take lots of fitness and technique. Having said that once we had our boat finally set up right we were as quick as the mid fleet 9ers upwind at the ovi inlands and faster downhill then all. When things go right with a modern 14 it is just an awesome boat, just the learning curve is expensive and tough. I cant speak for the older boats as i never sailed one in anger (i did own a penni years ago) I would in your position buy an 800. ------------- |