Used Phantoms
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Topic: Used Phantoms
Posted By: G.R.F.
Subject: Used Phantoms
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 8:58am
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Going to look at a used Phantom this morning, it's a lake boat so shouldn't
be too badly stressed. Anything particular to look out for? Not for me, it's for a pal, big guy wants to punish my scrawny ass in club racing.. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 9:51am
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presumably he's buying a modern self drainer? I don't think I'd buy one that wasn't. otherwise all the usual stress points I would think. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 12:31pm
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it's budget dependent but ideally you'd want a vandercraft boat (post c1100 sail no) with a carbon mast/boom and a plastic sail. Some of the manufacturers (e.g P&B) have different cuts depending on whether you are lager, very lager or stella supersized. There are one or two composite boats (plastic hulls with wooden decks) around in the post 1100 sail number range but IMHO not much point in buying one as the wood needs tlc, and it's likely to be a bit heavier than a placcy one. From 1274 onwards the hulls were made by ovis and they have a number of slight changes to the internal layout, but not enough to make a massive difference, and the earlier boats can be equally competitive. If it's setup properly then the forestay should be on a cascade system led back in the boat, as that is the 2nd most used control after the kicker (let more off when it gets windy) Nothint special really to look out for - check the hull deck join around the edges, and the cockpit/floor join, trailing edge of the hull around the edges. Good boats, nice 'n' light and powerup well even with a 'roy hattersley' doing the driving |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 2:14pm
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There is actually plenty to look out for on a phantom as all though its not common knowledge there have been plenty of issues with these boats.
If its an older wooden boat they are built light and as such the plywood can be thin and is prone to damage. If its a GRP one, they are normally all over weight. They have anumber of issues they are floppy and heavy and well off the pace of the newer epoxy boats. I have seen GRP boats with people knees through cockpit floors (on two different boats) Fordecks pulling away under forstay tension (i wouldn't buy a GRP phantom as they are over priced and uncompetiive) Epoxy boats are a different matter, but i know of 4 different boats (some brand new) which have had centre board cases put in crooked. Fittings pulling out from the deck. Side decks where you hike from delaminating and going floppy as well as cockpit floors. Although the earlier Epoxy boats were pretty well built (circa 1100 number) You should be checking for these things with every dinghy you buy. I must stress these are only examples of people i know and a smaller cross section but most of these boats have had problems. I used to own a phantom and my brother has been in and out of the class for years.
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 2:43pm
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Ooerr, y'all didn't come back quick enough, we've got it now. Its 900 and
something 71 maybe. It looks O.K. its from a club nr Tonbridge that don't sail in the winter (because they flood the place)and it's been kept under cover. For the money it'll even things up between myself and my windsurfing buddy I should think we'll be having some proper duels until that is I fully Franken up the Blaze. He has been lobotomised by years of Supernova abuse so this will be an improvement, I've been telling him to get a Phantom ever since I first laid eyes on one the year I first saw the Alto, but he's such a tightwad (these retired millionaires generally are) he wont ante up the dosh for an epoxy one. Then Demolition Dan showed up in a wooden one and caused great levity as the woodworm abandoned ship just prior to his due launch and sinking thereof but the general outline renewed his interest and here we are.. So it's game on now, FrankenBlaze v Casper the Phantom Menace and we're opening book on the first race this Sunday... ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 4:08pm
Yes but unfortunately not in front of us, word is she went down off the coast of Bexhill sadly without the loss of all hands.. This is the 3rd or 4th craft to fail at the hands of Dan (Demolition) Dumberer who is vying with the Luckless Lucy the Lash for the highest no of boats broken this year.. (Lucy Lash has teemed up with the Dumb part of D&D to destroy as many washbag containers that B14 world has to offer and word has it the Europeans is on their agenda - watch out.. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 6:32pm
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I'll have you know my boat is The Phantom Menace! Your mate will have to rename his craft!  ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 21 Aug 09 at 6:39pm
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His boat s called Casper, the other bit is just a grumpfism..
Everyone gets a knickname in grumpfworld wing wang.. If they're interesting enough of course.
And anyway surely all Phantoms are a Menace so why would you adopt a generic term.. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 11:47am
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970 odd sounds like one of the later Rondar built boats. A guy at Hunts had 930 for a few years, it looked good but was undoubtedly overweight (didn't seem to slow him down though). Now they all have the Epoxy boats with carbon sticks so it has developed in to an arms race... The Vandercraft built exposy boats do have deck issues becaus the strengthening is in the wrong place. Ovi have sorted this out though. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 12:39pm
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Is it just me or is this boat really for GRF to put a trapeze and Assy on - now that he realises that the Blaze doesn't need either!!???
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 2:13pm
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I would put a trapeze on the pm if I thought the mast was up to it. It has never occurred to me to put on an assy.....until now. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 2:51pm
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It will be the b*stard child of FrankenBlaze then...... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 7:16pm
The boat purchased would most likely be 941 this is listed as being in tonbridge & appeared as sold yesterday or very soon after the post about the purchase appeared. Appears to be a good boat for the money. http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=121237 - http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=12 1237 ------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 22 Aug 09 at 8:11pm
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Yep that's it..
I didn't think it was bad for the money. No traps or kites for this, but the day he beats me in it.. On will go mine.. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 12:41pm
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just a quick note, the phantom didnt completely sink, just very nearly.... someone at the club borrowed it and left the front tank bung out and it filled when he was sailing, he made his way to shore at the end of the racing and he heeled it over it took on a cockpit full of water and just stayed afloat, it was a nightmare to get back on to the beach. Dan ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 12:52pm
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Must be something abouts Phantoms and their desire to investigate the
depths..Our man left his bungs out first time afloat and complained of sluggish performance until that inevitable moment of realisation.  ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 4:37pm
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There are actually several Phantoms sporting the name Casper, caused by people naming their boats without checking to see if the name is unique within the class. I have no idea which was the first Casper in the class....
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 6:21pm
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Well It's Casper the hungry monk?
Some character from Asterix & Oberlix at a guess, there's a knaff cartoon character adorning the deck.. The things dinghy folk think are kewell...  ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |