Saturday Hotrod: Twin trap B14?
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Topic: Saturday Hotrod: Twin trap B14?
Posted By: ellistine
Subject: Saturday Hotrod: Twin trap B14?
Date Posted: 14 Aug 09 at 10:45pm
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I've been having aspirations lately for something fast
for the weekends. Not necessarily something to race as I'm quite happy mixing it up with the L2K's and RS200/400's on a Sunday Morning and Monday Night. The RS800 would be up there as a possible choice but perhaps a little too expensive just for playing about in when the weather is just so. I've been following ChrisGs RS400 vs B14 thread with interest. The B14 sounds a laugh but I would prefer a twin trap. Would a tin masted (picking up all the terms now!) B14 cope with a couple of fairly heavy trapeze monkeys? Presumably at the same time you would make the wings a bit smaller? In this configuration would it still be sailable and would you expect it to be any easier or harder than the 800? As we're completely ignoring the class rules at this point, would it also be much work to add a kite chute? |
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Posted By: laserboy404
Date Posted: 14 Aug 09 at 10:53pm
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It would certainly be interesting, but you may be better of
sticking to something designed to have twin trapezes as it will be better designed for sailing in that format, RS800 would seem the best bet ------------- Laser 159392 Javelin 53 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 14 Aug 09 at 11:06pm
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Sounds like an awful lot of work butchering a perfectly nice boat, when there's what you want (ie the RS800) already in existence. The 800 will be easier- hell, the 800 is frankly easier to sail than the B14 in stock configuration.
As discussed in one of the recent threads, it probably would be a lot of work to add a kite chute, and doomed to failure due to the low freeboard of the bow. Or you could get a B14 and sail it as God/Bethwaite intended? Hiking isn't that bad, honest! ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 12:27am
| What would be significantly different between this creation and an International 14? |
Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 8:01am
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True. In my head an I14 would be very difficult to sail and
cost the earth. ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 8:54am
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Not if you buy Chrisg's boat, thats a lot of boat for you buck! Probably the fastest boat your going to buy for under £2k and probably the best boat for blasting about in! ------------- |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 9:00am
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All dont forget that the b14 was originally the b14e which had a single wire, and it was changed for a reason. ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 9:03am
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No it wasn't. The original B14 was the two man hiker. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 9:19am
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Wasnt it the same hull design, without the racks and a different sail plan? Over here anyway? ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 10:09am
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leave the racks as they are and trap off them. You'll go like a scolded cat in breeze. If you wanted to mod it further extend the mast with a stump and add a new goose neck and lowers position and then add area to the main sail at the foot and get a bigger jib. Thats one hell of a nutty machine you'd have. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 10:41am
Blimey that is cheap! Bad timing though. I'm thinking next season or possibly the following. Would be a good option though. ------------- |
Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 10:43am
If only I had the skills to keep all that upright!  ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 12:06pm
I should be very suprised indeed if buying an older 14 cost less than buying an older B14 and then putting all the money into converting it. And I doubt there'd be much difference in the ease of sailing. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 16 Aug 09 at 6:54am
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Really the people of the b14 class may tell a different story. http://fleetsites-com.web21.winsvr.net/b14forum/viewtopic.php?t=85&sid=db3720a4f571ca2aa66c1fdb3b69dccf - http://fleetsites-com.web21.winsvr.net/b14forum/viewtopic.ph p?t=85&sid=db3720a4f571ca2aa66c1fdb3b69dccf ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Aug 09 at 7:20am
They don't on that link!! |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 16 Aug 09 at 8:10am
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What he said...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 16 Aug 09 at 9:48pm
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Jim there might not directly but one of the posts says that there might be a few members who had a b14e I know they had a trap at one point cause I know personally the guy who brought the class over here from aus and they took the wire off and gave it the bigger racks ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Aug 09 at 8:01am
The original boat had the wide wings as it is sailed now. However it didn't initially sell well in Europe, so after a couple of years they tried a narrow wing single string variant, the B14E, which initially sold better. However once there was a bit of momentum sailors went back to the wide wings and no strings, and the one string alternate died out. In the Souhern hemisphere they never bothered with the one string version. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 17 Aug 09 at 10:40am
Olly Dave Peacock did say that the B14 was originally a flop over here with the wide wings, so they decided to set the boat up in a more 'British Manner' Ie. Single wire. You were just to peeved at the time and probably only listened to parts of the conversation between grabbing another beer and being sick! ------------- |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 17 Aug 09 at 1:56pm
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I'd try sailing a B14 without the traps first before trying it with - they are difficult boats to sail and would be much harder if you wanted to trapeze. Plus I don't think the ally stick would take a twin trap without folding soon after. They do take one but two would be pushing it... ------------- B14 GBR 772 |