Single Handed Trapezing
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Topic: Single Handed Trapezing
Posted By: JTaylor
Subject: Single Handed Trapezing
Date Posted: 15 Jul 09 at 9:45pm
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I'm looking for a boat to get started with sailing single handed on the wire, probably without a spinnaker. I've been sailing lasers and a laser 2 for a few years now, so i'm pretty familiar with crewing on the wire, but i'm looking for something a little more challenging. I've looked at laser vortex, rs600 and contender so far, but i'm not really familiar with these boats, and havent tried anything like them. I'm about 5'9 and 70kg, looking to probably spend no more than £1500. Any suggestions? ------------- Laser 2 - 9104 KWSC |
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 09 at 10:30pm
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Laser Vortex would be my choice. Stable, fast, cheap and choice of a kyte. ------------- |
Posted By: no limits
Date Posted: 15 Jul 09 at 11:03pm
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The only key problem with the vortex is re sale as im sure other people on the forum will agree to they dont move on quickly. Rs600 maybe ok if you have a good sense of balance and happy to get wet for the first few months as im finding with the 700.
You can pick 600's up reasonably cheap however the older ones have been known to have dodgy kicker bolts and the rear of the daggerboard cases wear out. Just my opinon as i was in a similar situation a few moths ago. |
Posted By: JTaylor
Date Posted: 15 Jul 09 at 11:09pm
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it seems a vortex would be easier, but 600 would be more similar to a MPS, something which i'd like to move into after a few years with this boat. are there any other dinghy classes around which are suitable for learning the skills pre-musto? ------------- Laser 2 - 9104 KWSC |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 15 Jul 09 at 11:36pm
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Contender is an option, although for your weight and size I'd still go for a Vortex. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 7:54am
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A contender is good choice if you are after a good cheap most boats seem pretty good now days but if you thinking about a musto skiff later i would get the 600 as the others say they can be a bit tipy while you are learning but it would be a good learning platform i would go for either the 600 or contender ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 9:04am
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Do what I've done, get a cheap Blaze and add wires to it.
It's got a Fireball mast so will take a trapeze, it has racks and has the appearance of being a good easy stable platform to get you back if the wiring fails, my thinking is to start sat on the racks then gradually pull the trapeze pulley and cleat till it lifts me clear then I can settle in without that irrational fear of windward dumping without in my case a boom to hang on to (I'm a windsurfer so trapezing without a boom feels totally alien). Other than that I've been looking for something to fulfil this very same niche for ages but it seems it's Contender and splinters in your nose as you kiss the deck everytime you tack, that Vortex with it three daggerboards, and no nose volume which is not much use in waves, or do it yourself with another boat in my case what will become known as Frankenblaze. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: iamalipaul
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 10:07am
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Thats where I was last year, I went straight to a 700 mainly because it would be the only boat I would be buying for a few years due to uni fees etc.. and I wanted a single assy boat that would be a challenge, and it is. I left the kite off for the first few sails until I got used to steering from the wire - still swimming loads though I'm not qualified to advise on choice of which boat, its jus thats the route I took. I paid more that £1500 for my 7 and 2nd hand mustos are even more. ------------- Still swimming with an RS700! |
Posted By: JTaylor
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 10:11am
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i had considered a blaze at one point, but it seems most second hand blazes are around £2500-£3000? If there's such thing as a cheaper blaze then i think that might be something to look at. ------------- Laser 2 - 9104 KWSC |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 10:21am
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If you're coming out of a laser 2 then the contender would seem a logical step up; the two have more in common than a 2 and a 600 for example. Your weight will be fine in a contender, as will your height, you can learn the trapezing skills you need without getting disheartened from tipping in all the time. The 2nd hand market for contenders is good so you won't lose money when it comes to selling when you're ready to move on. If you come down to Grafham at all drop me a pm - we have lots of 600s there, but also my contender is there and if the weather is right you could have a go. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 10:27am
| A Contender on Apolloduck for £350. Needs a couple of repairs but seems a bargain. I might be interested myself. |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 1:43pm
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The Contender is a real thoroughbred and very tuneable for different weight helms. A nice example should be appearing on the class web page classifieds section soon for £1350. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 1:53pm
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There is no problem selling a vortex if you price it accordingly! ------------- |
Posted By: zailor
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 5:58pm
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I just got a Vago? That can be one up ot two up. 600 is probably better but nothing wrong with another option, |
Posted By: JTaylor
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 6:11pm
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how suitable would a 600 be for a 49 year old guy? the boat is primarily for me, (16) but im sure my dad would like me to get something he could use too. he's a decent sailor and fairly quick around the boat, but he's 6ft and about 90kg. would these boats suit him too? ------------- Laser 2 - 9104 KWSC |
Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 6:28pm
I'd have a chat to Winging It - apparently there is a condender out there thats about to get scrapped. A nice club donation may get you your first trap boat! ------------- |
Posted By: JTaylor
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 7:08pm
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i'm sure i could be swayed from my interests in a 600 by a contender for a low enough price ------------- Laser 2 - 9104 KWSC |