National 12 revival....
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Topic: National 12 revival....
Posted By: Enterprising
Subject: National 12 revival....
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:15am
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Burton week is approaching, the National 12 Nationals. last year, there were 39 boats attending, 36 the year before, 45 for the 2 years before that. This year, with a few weeks to go, there are 70 entries. these are fully paid up cheque books out, committed entries. The event is 23-26 May at Thorpe Bay. rumour has it that there might be a few available boats to borrow to crews that maybe have sailed them in the past and are interested in coming along again. their might be a few people on here not registered with the class association the have not realised the resurgence going on. a total of 23 boats are either vintage or AC, so there is interest there for people who own older boats (dogmatic perhaps) I will be there in an old AC, propping up both the fleet and the bar, why not come and join us. Web sites are: http://www.national12.org/index.shtml - http://www.national12.org/index.shtml and http://www.burtonweek.org/ - http://www.burtonweek.org/
------------- Enterprise 22619 - to be renamed "Krossbow" Nationa 12 2947 - "Gordon" |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 8:40am
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Have the N12's given up on a week long Burton Week, then? If that explains the rise in numbers, then perhaps a good move. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 9:00am
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Yep: they have finally given up on the 1 race a day week long format, good for them as it is clearly more popular but coupled with that I am sure they have made a huge effort to get entries. A revival for the class would need to see bigger open meeting attendance, club racing fleets and health boat building numbers ... ------------- |
Posted By: dave.blakesley
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 11:44am
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Was that a hint there!! We would be there but don't actually have a sailable
boat yet, she's still fitting-less, will definitely be there next year though! ------------- |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:10pm
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God, I had't realised that anybody still did that! 1 race a day for x number of hours sod that! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:35pm
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The Merlin Rockets have always had a full week-long champs, with 1 race a day (although recently we have experimented with a few 2-race days).
Entries have been between 62 and 82 boats in the last 5 years, so no major problem. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:51pm
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the members get what the members want ... Merlins are clearly happy with the format but I suspect they are the last class to stick with it ... 12's have clearly benefitted from the change of format. The key to change is to change when you are ahead of the game; not wait until you are in trouble ... ------------- |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 1:28pm
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Another 'who stole my cheese?' reader? ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 1:53pm
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Eh? ------------- |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 2:12pm
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Getting 70 entries is great for the N12s. I hope they get the wind they deserve.
Does the class still have a healthy tradition of cool paint jobs? Or are all the new boats plain black carbon these days?!! |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 2:29pm
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saw two at Thorpe Bay over the weekend- one was in solid purple, the other in show-off clear-coat
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Posted By: n12fun
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 6:37pm
rarley one race a day rick, maybe in the 1 burton that you did, but if youd of sailed the 12 a little longer..... |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 6:44pm
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OK, mostly one race a day. two races, two days of the week. You can hardly pick on Rick for that... ------------- http://www.aardvarkracing.co.uk" rel="nofollow - Home of Rocket Racing |
Posted By: Mongoose
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 8:22pm
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You mean this? http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/ - http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/
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Posted By: thenewpete
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 10:36am
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Im afraid my money is gonna have to be on Mr Richards for this one. From what ive seen of his new twelve it is seriously fast and hes not exactly a cruddy sailor. Ive never really had an intrest in the 12s until now. is there anyone else who we should look out for? anyone that can spoil his moment? |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 10:53am
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The 14's still go with the one race a day format and seem to be going fairly strong as well ...
------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 11:05am
My money is on Graham And Zoe... But I'm biased. ------------- |
Posted By: thenewpete
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 11:15am
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they won last year right? how many other twelves are running with t-foil rudders now? how about trim tabs on the centreboard? that seems to provide a massive increase in speed |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 11:37am
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It will be very interesting to see how Jo goes ... Even if he wins we will still not know if the boat is any good ... ------------- |
Posted By: thenewpete
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 11:58am
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why not? compared to his old 12 its in a different league. upwind it is alot faster than a 400 his other 12 could not get close to that speed surely if he wins it proves his boat is good enough? |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 12:11pm
If he wins it will prove it is good enough for a sailor of Jo's talent to win with. Jo is a very good sailor and could win with a slow boat ... but I have no doubt the boat is good too .... ------------- |
Posted By: thenewpete
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 12:24pm
| he didnt win in his last one. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 12:50pm
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No ... but that was a vintage boat and he wasn't far off the pace. My comments were a compliment to Jo ... with his new creation I am sure he will be a force to be reconed with ... ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 8:50am
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/photos/?s=64&PID=38930"> Jo Richards and Sophie Mackley win the National 12 Burton Cup |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 9:41am
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Cool.
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 1:04pm
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Excellent; did they win the week as well? ------------- |
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 1:23pm
| I don't know if they won the week. Haven't managed to get hold of any results - only the photo! |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 2:02pm
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I'm loving the way Jo has gone for the layers look in his sailing attire!
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 3:24pm
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He had three firsts and a second going into the Burton, so I suspect he'll have taken the Silver National too. Final day today, with 2 races scheduled.
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 4:39pm
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Fantastic; well Jo's return to the class in his own self designed & built boat has been pretty impressive ... he just needs to now lend his boat to a mortal to see if they can make it go equally fast ... ------------- |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 4:50pm
No dont tell me.. Another sailing deity.. A lot about aren't there?  ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ease-distribution.com/ |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 5:12pm
Grumps just Google Jo Richards and you'll find a pretty long list of his achievements as both a helm and a designer ... no doubt he couldn't hold a candle to your reputation in the windsurfing arena but then again even Robbie Nash couldn't do that .... ------------- |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 6:13pm
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Another sailing deity?..
yes, probably, 1984 Olympic bronze medallist in a Flying Dutchman, Jo Richards designed the Laser's Pico, Vortex, Vago, Bahia and Bug + various National 12s and Merlin Rockets - there's a nice article from 2001 about Jo Richards http://www.ybw.com/sp/features/jorichards/index.html - here Nigel ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 9:10pm
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Jo & Sophie won both races today so win the week with straight bullets ... a very impressive performance. Apparently only 23 finishers in the last race; very breezy .... ------------- |
Posted By: andymck
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 10:33pm
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They didn't win the first race! Graham and Zoe did, was still a white wash
though, the only other trophies he didn't pick up were the under 21 and ladies prize. The boat certainly was quick, although there are so many gizmos on the boat it is not entirely clear if one has made big difference. There were people occasionally going quicker, but no one could match the consistent round the course speed, i was very pleased he had to overtake me twice, including the Burton, if only I knew how to sail down wind without a assymetric! Andy ------------- Andy Mck |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 May 09 at 10:56pm
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I read they won counting only firsts ... discarding a 2nd. ------------- |
Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 27 May 09 at 8:13am
| To be hoped it will encourage some new builds and kick start the the secondhand market within the fleet. |
Posted By: thenewpete
Date Posted: 27 May 09 at 10:33am
Nothing compared to the bigger boats he has designed. always remember one cowes week when they rounded the top mark by the needles, hoisted the kite in 18 knots of wind and overtook ABM amro on the way downhill.........that was in a 36 footer with less than half the rag up. He is, as has been said, a very very good sailor and he is a very good designer as well. alot of his designs are quite "whacky" but they do seem to work. take the vortex, although not a gret success the tunnel hull circulates spray backwards through it, generating lift, god knows what he dreams at night to think of ideas like that. and the twelve is on a different level, design wise, to most other dinghys. I dont know how well it went at thorpe bay, but when he has been tuning in cowes he has destroyed two 400's upwind and thats in both speed and height. ive never seen another 12 get close to that. I think its a very well deserved win. A fantastically fast boat, helped along by a fantastically fast sailor. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 27 May 09 at 1:56pm
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.. sailorS, Sophie was there too ... Not like you to overlook the crew Pete ... ------------- |