RS600 Vortex or RS300
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Topic: RS600 Vortex or RS300
Posted By: no limits
Subject: RS600 Vortex or RS300
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 5:35pm
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hi
i'm looking at moving on from my laser after 2 1/2 years. I currently sail on a pond however i'm looking to move to a club on the coast, that has plently of faster boats, in the next year. I weigh 60kgs which is my main worry so just wanted to know what people think about the weight problem also the option of a vortex/ rs300/ RS600 thanks |
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Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 5:41pm
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hi i think you would be a bit light for the 300 not sure about the 600 either which club are you thinking of going too plus what do they sail at that club ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: no limits
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 5:47pm
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im thinking of going to filey sailing club in the near future and they sail a mixture of boats including vortexs musto skiffs laser 1's lase 4000's and cats ------------- |
Posted By: Jordan
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 6:58pm
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60kg's!! would be possible for a rs300 A rig. you could probally get on with the RS600, you would just have to use the reifing system when its blowin... and definatly have wide wings!! i managed to hold a rs600 in a force 6 gusting 7 with the whole of the main sail and narrow racks, was hard work but i managed it, i weigh about 70-71kg's. The one thing i found with the 600 is the control lines have to be set up correctly so they dont max out to quickly. because when it comes to heavy winds serious amounts of cunningham and kicker is needed!! jordan ------------- Currently looking for a boat. |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 7:10pm
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try and get a go in a vortex if they sail them at the club already it would be a bit silly to buy something just to race on your own.the best thing to do is try and get a go in all three then work out what is best for you 60 kg is very light heavy weather you might struggle in most boats. andy ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 7:14pm
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The Vortex is a good bet for your weight, especially if
there are other Vortex boats in the club. Get one with a kite though as the single sail Vortex is too gutless downwind. The Vortex is good in the waves, the hull is tough as old boots and is accessible to sail. However, your sailing skills will probably develop more on a 600 which is also faster. Is 60kg "it" for you or are you still growing? ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 7:23pm
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if you are thinking of a vortex there is one for sale on ebay and the best still is the guy wants to swap for a laser . andy ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: no limits
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 7:28pm
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thanks for the information and hopefully im still growing
what is the minmuim weight for the vortex? ------------- |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 7:57pm
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not sure of the limit for the vortx your best bet is to go on there forum and ask them the final questions ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 10:24pm
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i was under 65kg when i started sailing the vortex and i
managed ok. im still only 65kg now and i have no problem with it. because it has a cat style hull it is easier to keep upright. it can be a pain trying to right it if you do happen to capsize but if you learn to let the main go during tacks you shouldnt have a problem. if you do happen to go over, 60kg is a tiny bit light but if you find the right balance point on the end of the lower daggerboard and hold right on the end of the upper one it comes up alright. you just have to have good hands for holding on with. and as it happens my boat is for sale :D ------------- |
Posted By: Jordan
Date Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 11:43pm
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Personally i would of siad the rs600 or a rs300. Ive heard the vortex nose dives alot! even if you are quite far back. but rs600 would be pushing it! jordan ------------- Currently looking for a boat. |
Posted By: dave.blakesley
Date Posted: 10 Feb 09 at 8:56am
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Yes, the vortex nosedives alot, but its very stable, and even without the
assym kit its alot of fun. The vortex is very easy to prevent nosediving, thats what the footloops are for! Even though i had a vortex, i would still rather have the 600 or the 300... The 600 will be more difficult to learn how to sail, and involve a bit more swimming, but would be much more rewarding in the end! ------------- |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 10 Feb 09 at 11:42am
Not really. Although I think the "tunnel hull" is a load of old guff I always found the Vortex to be well behaved. It will stick its bows into a wave but pop out the other side and the ride isn't a "planing" sensation in the traditional sense so the idea of having to ride the boat nose high doesn't really apply. The RS boats will always be a purists choice. It depends where you want to take your sailing. My only concern for you with regard the 600 is that at only 60kg (what height?) you are going to get knackered quite quickly with all the capsizing until you get it dialled in. I think that 60kg is right at the lower edge of sailing a 600, especially on open water. Likewise a 300. If you choose not to go out in the windy days then you are not developing your sailing to its best. Your call but don't dismiss the Vortex just because it hasn't the cachet of an RS. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 10 Feb 09 at 11:50am
having owned a rs300 and sailed a vortex a few times, i would say if
you go for a 300 then you will have to go for a A rig, while i had my
300(B rig) i was around the 62-67kg weight range and was only really just coping with
the rig, but then i did sail it inland! on the sea will be a different
matter, i nosedived a fair bit too... was fully powered up in 5-8knots.
you have to be pretty quick to sail it as well as they are tippy(have
sailed a foiling moth and it felt more stable on the foils than a 300 is ) have sailed it on the sea once and it handles very nicely, even with my poor upwind sailing in waves at the time.the Vortex, have sailed ^Dave Blakesley's^ old one a handful of times and every time i came off the water with a smile on my face! great boat, stable, however i found you have to sail it more like a cat due to its "tunnel hull" at my weight i didn't once feel i wasn't able to cope with the boat, never had a issue with it nosediving myself but did have one close call, whereas the other lads at the club that sailed it seemed to go down the mine very often mainly on purpose/not being far enough back(mind you they had a lot more fat than me) and righting it i didn't find that much difficulty either. the rs600 i cant comment on as have only ever seen them being sailed but from what i've seen/heard they fly upwind but can be dull off the wind. Sounds like you are too light for one, even with wide wings and a reefed sail. personally at your weight i would go for the Vortex, as English Dave says you wont be able to go out in stronger winds before you get tired after a short sail ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 11 Feb 09 at 1:40pm
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I've sailed a 300 and a 600 at Filey and I found the 300 a handful in the sort of waves you can get there (bloody big ones!), I was right at the back of the boat, one buttock on the boat the other in fresh air, full kicker on and it was still wanting to nosedive. The 600 was fine, and did really well on handicap on the P-courses they tend to sail on there. I'd say 6 or Vortex, leaning towards Vortex if it means having others to sail against or being the only one of a kind, last time I looked the 600 sailors at Filey had gone to Mustos. The other thing to bear in mind is the launching and recovery conditions, in some sea states you have to just aim at the beach and surf up it so you want something that can take that kind of treatment. The tide can drop a long way so a boat that can be left happily on the beach while you get your trolley is useful. ------------- RS600 1001 |