Bloody Mary
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Topic: Bloody Mary
Posted By: Jon711
Subject: Bloody Mary
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 5:13pm
| So how was it? Who won? Perfect Nstionsl 12 weather did Graham and Zoe do it? how did thr Blaze team do? No reports so far I am sitting on the edge of my seat for the results!!!! |
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Posted By: marcus3292
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 7:56pm
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it was f-ing cold, Andy Couch won it in his phantom.
------------- phantoms kick a**e (when sailed well) |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:01pm
| At the risk of being barred from from this forum, I've always said Phantoms were handicap bandits... Or is that handicap bandits are alwayw Phantoms?!?!?! |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:03pm
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Phantoms are obviously a good class for light wind racing with the right crew weight, that sail well in cold weather! Or the competition wasn't there this year! How many entered the race? ------------- |
Posted By: Inland sea
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:04pm
Watching the forecast I was thinking of opening a book for a N12 or Phantom. Perfet for them ... here's hoping for a bit more breeze next year and come hell or high water I'll be there  How close was the finish? ------------- RS300 426 18' SkiffTango Musto 051 B14 644 |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:08pm
| Sorry I wasn't having a go at the Phantoms they are a good boat with many good sailors in the class but does the handiicap reflect this?? |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:14pm
| I suspect its the first time a Phantom has done at all well at the BM... From the numbers I have this is the first time one has finished in the top 30 since at least 2002. |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:15pm
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And also mega congratulations to Andy Couch, winning the Bloody Mary is a significant result.. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:26pm
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It was foggy, and freezing!! To wards the end our kite blocks had frozen into ice cubes!!! My mate had major problems with his canoe !!! I am a bit peeved off as we were told to launch from the other side of the land fingure, it took ages to get round and as a consequence missed our start! it was so foggy that it was disorientating and Chan i asked a rescue boat which way the start was, they said sorry we are not allowed to help!!! I started about 30 secs before the 400's so was fighting a loosing battle from the off! Still i enjoyed it and so did my wife, could of done with it being warmer and a tad more wind!! ------------- |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:32pm
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I sail with a GPS watch - If they give a Lat/Long for the start line - do youy think that mayh have helped???
On the other hand maybe launching earlier and following may have got you to the start line!!!
Sorry being a bit facitious.... |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:35pm
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Well i was on the water as soon as i could and a little under 30 mins before the start!!! And you could not see anyone to follow because of the fog!! And no the Long/Lat for the start wouldnt of helped but the Moron in the rescue boat giving me some kind of clue would of!!!
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Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:49pm
| yet you were sailing on a reserviour (I know that's spelt wrong) all you have t do is follow the bank....... And even at Queen Mary with it's horseshoe shaped bit of water it can not be that hard |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:59pm
Maybe but they are not allowed ... ------------- |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 9:05pm
| GPS Watches are down to class rules.... they are not disallowed in a lot of classes. |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 9:10pm
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 9:38pm
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Jon how about you stop commenting on situations you have no idea about, and get off your arse and go sailing! The facts are i have been sailing for over 20 years, i have competed in hugely different conditions and at a variety of levels and classes, I have however never raced in the bloody Mary until today, the conditions were horrible with freezing fog etc. I was told to launch by the Marshall's from a different part of the horseshoe, i had not sailed on Queen Mary before to realise how big the peninsula was, neither was it easy to predict the wind speed on the lake, due to a lack of visibility. A GPSS position on a lake is ridiculous and yes i found the start line in the end obviously unfortunately i was very, very late, i could not of physically prepared for the race anymore, in hindsight i would have told the Marshall's i was launching where everyone else was and that would have saved me the time to get to the start line. My only groan was that idiots in the rescue boat not helping me out with an angle!! ------------- |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 9:57pm
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Thanks Merlinboy, Well said. Jon As a newbie (Ok registered ages ago but posting all in one day) it is a real pain to have people answer after every writeup. The idea is you read and contribute informative information not waffle on just to raise your post count. ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 12:14am
I think that the class rules will tell you if and when you can use them at CLASS events, but at an event such as the BM, class rules are overriden by anything the the events Sailing Instructions. If your class let you have a GPS, but the SI's say you can't have one .. the SI's will win. If they don't mention it and your class allows them, check with the RO .. It could be they are adding an amendment, or they just don't care. RE the BM ... It was cold. Thats all I have to say. (And I didn't even go on the water!!) ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 9:15am
Not so. In handicap events your boat must comply with class rules unless there is a specific item in the SIs. If you don't want to comply with class rules you need to tell the organisers that you are *not* racing a whatever class boat it is but a one off boat which is similar to the xxx class, and ask them to allocate you a new handicap. On the subject of the results, what on earth is a "Punk"? I know the "Halo" is a modified Blaze, but the other I've never heard of. |
Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 10:27am
| If im correct it is a single handed dinghy which dan holman designed and I helped build last year (built at Synthesise Yachts and Design). At the time we built it he didnt have a name for it, but I guess you could compare it to a laser, however is a bit longer and made out of carbon, with a very nice seamless hull joiint. Hull weight of just over 40kg's |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 10:31am
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The big boys blaze looked nice, but there is no way the bloke that was sailing it was over 100kg!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 11:45am
looks like it was a cold event if this happened! 
------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 12:30pm
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The Punk was the boat that as in the Spy Photo's thread a few weeks back. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 12:45pm
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I think I probably made the right decision not going the Laser Radial's did not even make the top hundred! Do you know what handicap they gave Daniel Holman? ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 12:57pm
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I think he started about +26 ish ... Not sure where that would put him handicap wise as I have lost the sheet!!
------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 4:04pm
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Quite interesting comparing the results from the previous year, first foiler at 145th compared to 1st (kindof) last year
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 4:13pm
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glad I didnt go, I much prefered my windsurfing in cold (but not freezing) and windy conditions. Anyone who actually sailed must have been slightly mad. Well done to anyone who worked up the enthusiasm to sail on a freezing puddle without any wind. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 5:03pm
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And this probably sums up the weather - foggy!
I do remember the Mirror Eastern event back in April last year, that was on the River, so easier to loose boats! ------------- |
Posted By: drifter
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 6:40pm
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Nice to see some Graduates in the top few places-well done guys! ------------- Stewart |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 11 Jan 09 at 8:58pm
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I sailed in a freezing fog the last race of the season. It wasn't funny. Although the wind improved greatly as the visibility reduced. I was okay for grip but the chaps in the GP had trouble when their dancefloor froze... ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 12 Jan 09 at 3:08pm
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opps, ill move my post to the other bloody mary thread |
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