which boat now?
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Topic: which boat now?
Posted By: tmoore
Subject: which boat now?
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 4:19pm
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well it looks like my 300 is going next weekend reason for sale is that i wanted to free up some cash as im now in uni. this means that the next boat needs to be cheaper. i just dont know what to get. im 70kg and a reasonable sailor. dont mind trapezing or hiking. probably singlhanded but mabe double at a push/depending on the boat. i want something which will improve my sailing. suggestions anyone? ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
really going to miss it but cant justify having such a nice boat and only being able to use it every other week (not when they are in such demand).Replies:
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 4:30pm
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Blaze, Vareo, Old Laser (mines for sale!) RS600, It all depends on what you got to spend. TBH a boat sitting still every other week isn't bad. Its the boats that don't move from one year to the next. Um, I could name some at the centre, a Laser EPS, Pico, Topaz, Escape Cha Cha (Yep there's one of those) etc etc It all depends on budget. I recon a Blaze could give the excitement of the 300 but as a cheaper option. ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 4:49pm
| I don't think you're going to free up enough money to make much difference... Decent boats tend to cost roughly the same amount of cash... You can have an old shed and spend all your time on maintenance instead, but its probably more expensive. Get down to one boat, sure but beyond that I think the chances of freeing up significant amounts of cash and still ending up with a boat you're going to enoy sailing every other week are slim... |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 4:51pm
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budget is anything under 3k really, the cheaper the better to be honest but dont mind too much as long as its under the 3k mark. i know the boat isnt coming to any harm sitting still. its just unfair to keep it when theres people out there wanting to get on the circuit with a boat and cant find one..... a laser was potentially an option, vareo im too light, 600 i was considering but blaze i have never thought about much. how much is you laser up for by the way? ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 5:25pm
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Tom there is a cheap RS600 on apollo duck at the mo, if i didnt have my impending court case i would be looking seriously at it. I wouldnt go for a blaze after the 300 mate, you will be disapointed. The 600 will be a bit of a challenge, the laser is going to offer big fleet sailing at a cheap price, what about a contender?? ------------- |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 5:40pm
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What makes you say the Blaze will be a bit of a disappointment Russ?
I'm on the verge of considering one for single hander nights, are they a bit lame then? Then again fit one up with an Altopole system and kite should make it a bit spicier off wind? Edit and what's with the court case? Hanging out too long in the mensroom with George Michael? |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 6:04pm
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My brother had one, and i sailed it loads and just thought after sailing a 300 it just didn't tick my boxes. With the Kite though i would think it would be a different monster. I am not knocking the blaze, but Tom has sailed a 300 for a while and as a former 300 sailor that tried a blaze i think he would be disappointed.
Court case is for speeding on the way to the Lord Birkett, big fine/ban/ loss of job worse case! Or even worse being locked in a cell with George where no one can hear your screaming!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 6:22pm
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Was it the Police or a camera?
Could be good news for you if the latter, I heard somewhere there has been a bit of a milestone ruling about the inherent illegality of all cameras.. I guess a 300 must be a bit of a mission, the one at our club rarely surfaces and only when it's still and there's a great golden ball high in the sky.. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 09 at 7:58pm
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Unfortunately for me Grumpf it was the police. ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 1:28am
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i know what you mean jim and thats sort of what im worried about. the 300 is a wonderful boat. the thought that its probably going to go on saturday does make me sad. i love it to bit but it doesnt feel right only sailing it every other week during term time. am i just being an idiot here in not letting the boat go? or does this kind of indicate that its the right boat for me? just had a gander at that 600 russ. it really does look good at that price. very tempted. i just wonder if after the 300 that it wont be quite right for me? how much of a challenge will the 600 really be? i mean it cant be that much tippier than the 3.... tom ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 12:25pm
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Tom If its all down to £££ then I'd say stick with what your heart says. If you have a "contract" with the new purchaser then it may be harder to get out, but if its only verbal, and you love the 300, then stick with it. I wouldn't sell the Laser if it wasn't for the fact I have the 200 (which the OH likes) and I wanted a new challenge which is why I have the 700. ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 12:42pm
Most boats aren't sailed that often I reckon. Smart money is that a new owner won't sail it as often as you do, so I wouldn't regard that as a sound argument. If cash is the issue you'd probably be better off deciding that you're going to become a hotshot crew during college years rather than get another boat. If cash isn't the issue keep the boat you like! |
Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 1:01pm
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I would had thought the 600 is harder than the 300. And if you are selling the 300 becuase you don't get enough time on the water would it make sense to get a 600? I sail my 300 at best every other week during the nice sailing months and manage to do a couple of opens simply becuase I have more important commitments (family) other than sailing every weekend. - Hence why I want to start to kids young into sailing so I can go each weekend! One of the reasons why the 300 is hard to get hold of becuase those owned by the occassional sailor are kept since they are a great boat to sail. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 1:34pm
Really the only reason is that not enough people are buying new ones. I'm sure RS would be delighted to help out! [Later] Bethwaite highlights the problem in the new HPS as related to supply of boats for youth worlds. Polyester/solid glass boats, for various reasons, go soft and get slower with usage at a slow and fairly consistent rate. Thus, given 2,000 really keen sailors in a class worldwide they'd buy 2,000 new boast every year, and sell on 2,000 slightly second hand boats every year, the class would grow at 2,000 boats a year and there were loads of boats about, slowly getting slower and more decrepit, but loads of pretty decent secondhand boats about that were perfectly usale for club and open sailing, if not Champs winners. In youth worlds terms that meant that the people building 2,000 new boats a year could quite happily subsidise 20 new boats for a youth worlds and sell them on. Epoxy/foam sandwich boats, on the other hand don't slow up in the same predictable way, and as, we in the development classes found first, people keep their boats longer and longer. So 2,000 really keen sailors means maybe only 400 new boats a year, only 400 good second hand boats a year, all considerably more tired in terms of gear, sails, foil and the like. Suddenly finding the cash to subsidise 20 new boats for a youth worlds from the marketing budget looks pretty dubious, the supply of second hand boats has dried up and all the rest of it... |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 05 Jan 09 at 1:42pm
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I think the lead time for a new 300 is too long. They are built in batchs as far as i understand it. They are also bloody expensive new compaired to the competition. ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 06 Jan 09 at 10:46pm
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decided im going to let the 300 go. instead i shall be looking for crewing places at restronguet and then when back in n.wales i shall sail the club GP14 against the growing fleet already there. hopefully then i will get some tips from the top guys down at uni and be able to practise them during 'home time'. if things go to plan this should all be with minimum expense..... however if there is a cheap foiling moth going for under 3k i may be swayed........ ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 06 Jan 09 at 11:08pm
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got my moth for 2200...they are out there
Post a wanted ad on the moth site...they are a really helpful bunch ------------- |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 06 Jan 09 at 11:55pm
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£2200 is a steal for a foiling moth! im contemplating
having a go in one sometime this year to see if i can do it. (they offer a pay for their petrol money only and get a free trial deal at velociraptor HQ apparently so its very tempting to ring up). problem is the cheapest moths ive seen ar £5k and upwards and im a poor student. ------------- |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 8:18am
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I know its a steal....it needs a tiny bit of work but at that price i dont care!! That was my problem, they all seemed to be over 5 grand so i put an advert up lookin for a cheap lowrider that may be able to be converted in the future and this guy approached me saying he had a lowrider that he had converted but may be willing to part with his foils! You just gotta look ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 10:54am
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and more importantly know WHERE to look..... i know where your coming from salty as a poor student myself ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 11:46am
I think this is probably the best option. When I was at Uni I had very little time to sail anyway! Just one point why do you not get involved in Team racing? It is one of my favourite areas of the sport and I still do several events a year  .------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 12:57pm
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Jon: if I recall correctly, he's of to Falmouth- they may not have a team, as a smaller, multi-campus institution.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 1:43pm
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After the covering/slowing down antics of the summer, I wish I had done some team racing. Those tactics are really useful when results are tight.
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 2:58pm
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i wish my uni did team racing. it would be good to get such a depth of knowledge in the rules that this gives. their 'sailing' constitutes of a few hours a week spent on a J24 producing a 1st and 2nd sailing team with 2 spare bodies. these 12people share the single J24 for training and then go to events, hire 2(!!!!) J80's to match race ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
what is with that????Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 07 Jan 09 at 4:22pm
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Why cant you just go and join Restrongeut with your 300, and trail it down with you when you go back to uni ?
I used to chuck my Laser on the roof of my dads car in Sept when I started the academic year and then Id do the same to get it back in the summer. Could normally find crewing positions in the Christmas and Easter hols and all was rosy! |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 12:08pm
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i did that last term and got a large amount of abuse because i was having to leave my road base under the boat. apparently this is not allowed. but where am i meant to leave it??? also met a lad there same age as me who owns an 800 so going to try crewing for him for a bit and see how it goes. tom ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 12:13pm
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Wheel clamp it and it should be fine. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 12:37pm
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Not allowed to keep your road base under your boat !!!!!
What kind of stupid rule is that? A combi base hardly takes up any more space than a trolley and the whole sherbang can be tied down just as effectively. Keep the 300 on the combi, at Restrongeut and tell them to poke it ! |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 1:02pm
it's not a space issue- it's a security issue I'm guessing. I've been in a club before with a less-than-secure dinghy park, that's is in a secluded location. The rule there for road bases (in order of preference) was: A: Take it home B: Take the tow-bar off C: Invest in a proper lock for the tow-bar- one of the ones with a ball that sits inside it. Your boat might not be worth stealing, but someone elses may be. Option C might be an idea for Tom? He'd be advised to run it past the club first. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 1:04pm
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I have heard that dinghy trailers are very nickable in there own right. they are generally strong a frame type and can easily have a box bolted on them and the serial number plaques drilled off or changed. ------------- |
Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 1:46pm
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I picked up a towbar lock £30 from Halfords and very secure. I then chain the road base and combi together with a motor bike chain and a big pad lock £20 from B&Q. Although not 100% secure as I am sure most locks are not, at least I know I would have put off the casual thief and made life a little difficult for the determinded one. Alternatively take the wheels home. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 2:14pm
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Trouble is, if one person takes the wheels home, and another the hitch, it is pretty easy to make 1 working trailer! I had to take someone's boat home to do some work on it once, and they had forgotten that the tow hitch had been removed. It took maybe 10 minutes to nick one off my trailer and bolt it on. Mind you, another time I had to go and collect a boat on a trailer from an AA compound when the car had broken down and the owner had had to leave the boat. It was padlocked through the hitch handle so it wouldn't lift. Took 20 seconds max with a new hack saw blade to get it off. I think I stored my trailer at Fox's boatyard when I sailed from Restronguet. I suspect there are rabbit hutch homes on that site now, but there may be another yard willing to store it for a small amount of money? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 3:52pm
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also remember that wheel clamps and hitch locks are only 'there to make it a less tempting steal, as those who know what there looking for will come with tools for the job! even a set of wheels!! we've had our caravan(yes my family are one of those annoying caravan'ers) on the drive with wheel clamp and hitch lock and they still managed to tow it away as they froze the locks and hit them with a hammer! shame that a leg on the van wasn't working properly and fell down at a hump...  ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 4:11pm
| Since our club lawnmowers were nicked by thieves who came armed with an oxy torch and burned the lock out of a something like 5mm thick steel door I've been wondering how much use any security precautions are... |
Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 4:21pm
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I think CCTV is the best bet becuase if they want to steal somethng they will. the only other way is to make the place look like a maximum security prison or build a moat (unfortunatley the moat idea will only work at some clubs at high tide)
Lots of thefts have happend here and its getting real old now ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Jan 09 at 5:05pm
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i did ask about potentially locking it down, putting it on bricks etc but the guy wasnt having any of it. then again he did seem in a pretty foul mood that day and was ranting at other people for 'clogging' up the boat park whilst they were rigging. i think i will let the boat go tomorrow if the guy wants it. once i sort out somewhere to keep a trailer or a solution then i can always see about getting another 300 if nothing else has caught my eye. now that i am 'in the 300 loop' it should be much easier than it was first time. russ, RE serial numbers etc. im not sure mine has one. it was made for me as a favour by the guy who provides them to speed sails. i still paid him but got a nice discount on what it would be from speeds or anyone else. always good to have contacts ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Inland sea
Date Posted: 10 Jan 09 at 8:10pm
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Tom did our draycote member buy it?
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 12 Jan 09 at 1:53pm
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it did. dave barker i believe his name is. you make sure he looks after that boat for me and sails it every week. in reality though i can definately see myself coming back to the fleet at some point.... ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 12 Jan 09 at 2:20pm
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Money will be burning a hole in your pocket now Tom!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Inland sea
Date Posted: 12 Jan 09 at 3:26pm
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Fantastic news for us ... sorry for you Tom but I'm sure we'll see you again soon. I met Dave on Sunday ...really nice guy and well please with the boat ... he didn't go out in it though as it was F7 gusting F5 (full of holes) .. proper mental. I did help him rig it though, so he's all set and really keen for next weekend. Could be a good turnout for us what with TT, myself, ChrisG back from hols and Dave to mention but a few. |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 13 Jan 09 at 1:11pm
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nope. i have a plan for saving money. each week i aim to save £30 of my student loan that way when my car dies i can replace it and still have money for a boat and rich, when he said where it was going it made me feel so much better. i know it will get proper use and im glad that someone else can enjoy it as much as i did. ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: luxuryat
Date Posted: 26 Feb 09 at 10:35am
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The Laser would be my choice in such a time.
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 26 Feb 09 at 11:48am
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rich, you were right. im picking up 410 on sunday. cant wait to get back into the fleet. good to be back ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 26 Feb 09 at 1:04pm
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Same here Tom, you going to the winter and milton Keynes?? ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 26 Feb 09 at 1:40pm
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im hoping to go to the winters. not sure about milton keynes yet. kind of depends on funds being a student and all. cant wait to get back in a 300 after almost 2months ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |