Sports Personality of the year
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Topic: Sports Personality of the year
Posted By: Harber Green
Subject: Sports Personality of the year
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 7:40pm
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The top 10 contenders for the BBC Sports Personality of the Year award have been named. The list features Olympic heroes, swimmer Rebecca Adlington, and cycling champions Nicole Cooke, Chris Hoy, Rebecca Romero and Bradley Wiggins. Fellow Beijing winners, sailor Ben Ainslie and 400m gold medallist Christine Ohuruogu also make the list. F1 champion Lewis Hamilton, boxer Joe Calzaghe and British tennis number one Andy Murray make up the 10. These sporting celebrities will now compete for the public vote on the night of the live show which will be broadcast live at 1900 GMT, Sunday 14 December on BBC One. The public will be able to vote for their BBC Sports Personality of the Year by telephone and details of the numbers to vote on will be given out during the programme which will be presented by Sue Barker, Gary Lineker and Jake Humphrey.
Now to get every sailor to vote for Ben! |
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Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 8:23pm
| chris hoy for me |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 8:45pm
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I think its almost a dead cert that our boy Lewis will win it this year.
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 8:48pm
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Agreed Hoy should win but I think Hamilton will win. Calzaghe won last year so I can't see him doing the double. Nice to see Ben on the list but I don't think sailing got enough TV coverage for him to have a chance. ------------- |
Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 10:04pm
| Shouldn't the sarahs and pippa win team of the year? |
Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 10:39pm
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what are the nominations for that category. i think it would be a very big surprise if any sailors got any of the major awards due to the lack of coverage and appreciation the sport gets. |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 10:39pm
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Is anyone seriously beliveing anyone other than Adlington or Hamilton stands a chance?
Yes, there's more deserving winners. But the public vote for this... |
Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 10:45pm
| why not set up a poll on here, so we can see who we would vote to win? |
Posted By: Status
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 10:55pm
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IMHO it would take a serious campaign to shift the public vote away from Lewis Hamilton. I accept he did well to win but it was hardly convincing towards the end. (before anyone shouts I know I couldn't achieve anywhere near his standards and yes I realise how hard it is!) Chris Hoy was outstanding as was Rebecca Addlington. Andy Murray always makes me want to give him an iron and a razor. Would be nice to see Ben Ainslie in the top 3 wouldn't it. |
Posted By: Harber Green
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 11:42pm
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im surprised by the responses so far, in any other sport (cycling, swimming, F1, tennis) you can bet that their supporters will only be betting on their person - and have probably set up support forums to encourage people to call in on the night. Who would not want to see their sport star winning the award. As a sailor i will definately be supporting Ben. Yes Chris Hoy won several golds at the olympics, but we all know that in sailing thats impossible - 1 gold per olympics. I urge everyone to support Ben and Sailing. If Ben was to win/top 3- the knock-on effects in sponsors / tv coverage would benefit the whole of UK sailing.
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Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 01 Dec 08 at 11:45pm
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surprised no-one has mentioned james peters' nomination for the youngsters category |
Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 12:09am
Where the Sailors showed they had what it took was in August in Qindao and their fantastic achievements really helped the sport standout. However given that as a nation we relatively over-achieved in other sports compared to sailing which has achieved well for at least 3 cycles, then our sailors had to share 'their day' with the paddles/swimmers/rowers/cyclists who had also got medals. I don't think it helped that they weren't seen 'on the sofa in the studio' due to the distance logistics. Hopefully for 2012 someone could fly/helo them up to London for the 'post match interview' and back again to support their sailing team-mates, which was one of the many great things about Qindao. Ben and the others did ace, but if we're going to block vote then let's make it a block vote for Bryony 'I'm just so fcuking excited' Shaw.. |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 2:29am
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Hoy fo sho
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Posted By: mongrel
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 7:46am
| Hoy or Cooke should win, but the cycling vote will be divided, so Hamilton will win. |
Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 9:11am
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In any normal year each of the contenders would probably walk the vote. It just shows how competive it is this year. When was the last time there was no soccer, rugby or cricket players nominated As a long term motor racing fan I would normally vote for Lewis, but it has to be Ben as far as I'm concerned. The sailing team seem to of lost publicity because of how well they did in Sydney and Athens, it was all expected. In contast to Becky Adlington. I guess Hoy will probably win however and he also deserves it as a winner in multiple games, and the team prize will go to the entire Olympic team rather than any 1 section. One last thought is that Ellen Macarthur was second after coming second in the Vendee Globe. So sailing does have a following and I would encourage everyone to Vote for Ben
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 9:24am
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Sports PERSONALITY of the year. Why have we got that moody dreary crusty Murray when we are missing people like Victoria Pendleton? I have to say I am torn, I'd like to see Ben win it for the sport of sailing, but arguably Iain & Bart are the bigger PERSONALITIES in the sport and had the bigger hill to climb to bring home the bacon. To me in many ways sports PERSONALITY is about how much someone gets you out of your seat and screaming blue murder at the TV willing them on...and for that our rowers deserve a lot of recognition...however your average Joe Public would hate to see somone from a toff's sport such as rowing or sailing win... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Nick Peters
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 10:00am
Nick. ------------- Nick |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 1:08pm
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Hamilton or Hoy should win it. |
Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 2:22pm
| Sailing may be a "tofs" sport Ian C but the sailing team did the best swearing! |
Posted By: Chas int505
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 2:30pm
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If you take the concept of personality literally, then surely she of the jimmy choos would have to win? Otherwise one of the Cyclists....or are they all going to war with each other over Wiggins or Hoy? Again for me Wiggins is probably more the personality.....but Hoy is cycling's headline act. Ainslie will get my vote of course - totally biased as I am. A top 3 would be magic for him. |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 3:38pm
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If she was listed, I might have to vote for the delectable Ms. Pendleton. Whilst you're there Victoria, my thrunge gaskets need adjusting...
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Posted By: Status
Date Posted: 02 Dec 08 at 10:55pm
Forget the boat, I'll have a ride on that please. 
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Posted By: Ralph T
Date Posted: 12 Dec 08 at 2:01pm
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Just heard a radio interview with Chris Hoy re Sunday's event. When asked who would he vote for, his answer was that there is only one candidate - Ben! Someone who can get a silver, followed by 3 golds in a very competitive event is something really special |
Posted By: timeintheboat
Date Posted: 12 Dec 08 at 10:20pm
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I'm going to vote for Ben Ainslie. My abiding memory of early mornings in front on the laptop/telly was the contrast between the abandoned light wind Finn medal race where the ruthless streak showed as he went out to do what had to be done to with the eventual medal race where he knew he could win in those conditions and it was up to the others to come out and get him - and ate the end of the 1st beat it was clear no one was going to get near. Great stuff. Chris Hoy would be next for being the epitome of power and coming across as a good bloke. ------------- Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else |
Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 13 Dec 08 at 1:41pm
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a quote from the telegraph sport pages. written by kevin garside on the sports person of the year. Ben ainslie- diego maradonna in a boat? yes, when he sails the hand of god is on the tiller. Ainslie has every trick in the book. not a bad way of putting it lol. the guy certainly has something about him. |
Posted By: Status
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 9:49am
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Fingers crossed that all sailors will hit the phone lines and get him in the top 3.
Shame some people see sailing as a posh sport, which of course dinghy sailing isn't. Don't you know! ------------- Solo 2257 - The Joker |
Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 3:17pm
It made me laugh when iain percy and bart simpson won gold, when the media boat went alongside and asked how he felt he replied somehing along the lines of f-ing brilliant which the guy interviewing had to apologise for. anyway later with an interview with radio 5 he was questioned about his choice of words and he replied "just shows sailing isnt for posh people" . brilliant lol |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 8:58pm
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And the winner is.................not Ben No suprise there then!!
Still Chris Hoy is a nice enough guy ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 9:00pm
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Blimey, I thought I was sad for getting on here, let alone typing it! Deserving winner! ------------- |
Posted By: no limits
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 9:47pm
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yes i agree that hoy is good but surely ben should have been in the top 3? ------------- |
Posted By: Status
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 10:44pm
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I think it was good that Chris Hoy rather than Lewis Hamilton won. ------------- Solo 2257 - The Joker |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 14 Dec 08 at 10:46pm
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Too true - anyone but Hamilton. Don't get me wrong, was very happy to see him get the title, but... ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 7:02am
| ...he's a little lacking in "personality"? This is an award that Beckham has won. Actually having a personality is not a requirement... |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 8:52am
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The subtle difference between Personallity and Popularity ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 10:30am
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Consider my words eaten! Glad Hoy won. I would have liked it if in his speech he'd have turned to Lewis and said "I won this because I won the cycling, not barely came fifth!" ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 10:54am
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it was good to see hoy win. i was a tad disapointed that ben didnt feature. but then the standard was so high. in fact lewis hamilton probably did the least to be up there lol. dont get me wrong what he did was great and i loved it and he represented britain well. but it was only 1 world championship, ben also won one. im more annoyed that the sailing team didnt get a mention in the team of the year! |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 11:15am
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I think it was good Ben made the last 10 really; his achievements are fantastic and he's very possibly the best there has ever been but he dosn't seem that bothered/keen to be in the media. That's fair enough but without the desire to be in the media, or at least accept you have to do some of it, then you don't win SPOTY, I suspect Ben's not that bothered and after the cheeky girl incident prefers the low profile. ------------- |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 11:27am
I think maybe fate is waiting untill Ben wins his fifth or sixth gold before he is allowed SPOTY  ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 11:56am
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What are all the previous winners? Cricketers? Out if interest, anyone know the last time Ben lost a dinghy event? Was it Atlanta '96? ------------- http://www.sailns14.org - http://www.sailns14.org - The ultimate family raceboat now available in the UK |
Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 11:57am
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Or an America's Cup. I thought the other sailors were treated very poorly. Can't see how they can nominate the entire Olympic team and then the Cycling team within that team for the same award. The Yngling team should of won IMO. Not sure why we had to have coverage of the European Soccer when no UK teams even qualified.
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 12:53pm
I thought that too, seemed a bit unfair in many ways. However as a cyclist I am very glad Hoy won, he was actually very deserving of the "personality" bit of the award which has sometimes been lacking in recent years. British cycling has been transformed in recent years to a position of total dominance thanks to a lot of lottery money and a complete reveiw of every single aspect of the programme. I am quite glad (and surprised) that Lewis did not win...make no mistake the guy is a legend and his time will come for SPOTY, but having been lucky enough to meet several Olympians recently, I was just staggered at the commitment the guys have to put in. Compare and contrast...would I like to have a tax free multi squillion pound salary, a penthouse in Monaco, a Pussycat Doll on my arm and be part of the multi event show that is F1? Hmmm, let me think about that. Would I like to get up at 5am every morning, have only a modest income from funding, break the ice out of the bottom of my rowing skiff, spend hours in the gym every day, look forward to only every 5th weekend off, all for a one shot event that comes round every 4 years all for the chance of one gold medal? Erm, no, and hats off to anyone who has that extreme level of commitment. I do wonder if sailing would have done better if Ben was sailing an MPS or similar as his Olympic boat...you cannot fail to be impressed by the speed, power an acceleration of Hoy or Hamilton on their repective racetracks...but unless you are a sailor, Finn racing will never look exciting I'm afraid... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 1:26pm
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Ben came fourth: Vote result: Chris Hoy 283,630 votes
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Posted By: Status
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 1:37pm
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That's some winning margin for Chris Hoy! Three of the votes for Ben were mine. ------------- Solo 2257 - The Joker |
Posted By: Chas int505
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 1:45pm
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Guess it just shows how the non-obvious sports have caught the imagination this year. Well done Chris Hoy, and glad to see Ben Ainslie up there with Joe Calzaghe...not bad company to be keeping.! |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 1:48pm
Thats the point I make on these debates about Olympic eqipment. The cyclists are racing state of the art bikes; just imagine if Hoy et al were still riding bikes designed in 1949 ... it would be absurd but sailing is still showcasing relics ... well most of the events are ... ------------- |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 2:29pm
Hoy has a quite massive lead, which surprises me because I would have thought that Hamilton had a much larger public profile. These things are all down to how well-known the person is, rather than how good they might be. Meaningless, really... ------------- |
Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 2:34pm
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It didn't help either that all the shots of Ben seemed to have been slowed down, presumably for artistic effect, but it didn't really demonstrate the effort and workrate that Ben puts in. I thought they might have shown the medal race, preferably upwind, where even a non-sailor could appreciate how hard he is working as he carves the boat over the waves, miles in front of the other competitors. Slowed down, it just looked like he was bobbing about going nowhere fast. ------------- RS600 1001 |
Posted By: AdrianM
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 2:51pm
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[/QUOTE] Thats the point I make on these debates about Olympic eqipment. The cyclists are racing state of the art bikes; just imagine if Hoy et al were still riding bikes designed in 1949 ... it would be absurd but sailing is still showcasing relics ... well most of the events are ... [/QUOTE] Not sure, I think it would have been more watchable if they had all been on Raleigh Choppers with the three speed Sturmey Archer central column gearshift hurtling down a 1 in 3..... |
Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 3:05pm
| i think ben did well to come 4th. we cant really expect the voting public to back sailing/sailors when the sport is run so badly nationally and internationally. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 3:47pm
But cyclists aren't riding start of the art kit. Recumbent type cycles are much faster than the conventional type, but are banned for racing. What the cyclists have are bikes that were essentially designed in the 19th century, tricked up with carbon whizzo parts and built with new materials - so make Ben's 1949 tricked up with carbon parts and built with new materials Finn look really modern... I'm afraid that I really don't think that it makes any great difference to the public how modern or "fast" the boats are... A Finn goes, what, one third of the speed of a pushbike, and an MPS maybe half the speed. Like wow. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 4:10pm
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I guess we differ on this one Jim ... ------------- |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 4:21pm
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Jim whilst recumbents can be faster in terms of terminal velocity due to reduced frontal area, there are many disciplines of cycling that they just would not translate well into, mountain biking, track cycling, and anything involving hills! Mind you, an MPS in 8 knots is still dull compared to F1 or track cycling! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 5:22pm
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I think it boils down to the fact that nearly everyone has ridden a bike at some time in their lives, so they can appreciate the effort involved and relate to the sport. Add to that, most tracks are easy to watch and understand - they go round in a loop and the first one across the line is the winner. So Jo public can watch and relate to cycling much, much more than they can relate to a bloke sitting in a boat and pulling bits of string and going in strange directions. Even if they don't cycle for sport, many people cycle for leisure and many cycle to work. People will always appreciate something more if they can relate to it or understand it. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 15 Dec 08 at 5:28pm
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It also helps that there was a massive campaign north of the border to vote for 'their' man Chris Hoy - nice guy and deserved to win. It has to be said though that in a 'normal' year the vast majority of the guys and gals in the final ten would have walked it for their achievments ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |