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Topic: Help
Posted By: Useless Eustace
Subject: Help
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 12:58pm
I'm just about to,learn how to sail and i would be grateful if u peeps cant talk me through the technical stuff.

Cheers



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 1:01pm

This time of year, you wrap up warm, if it's not too windy, you, probably won't go swimming, if you go swimming, it will be cold.  Afterwards you'll (hopefully) have an nice warm shower and it will all be worth it.

I assume you are going on a sailing course somewhere, so they will tell you all.

It would be a difficult process to describe on a forum like this - without writing a a "shoe to learn to sail" book and there are more than enough of them around.

Just go, expect to get a little wet and cold, but enjoy it.  



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Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 1:05pm
Thx

my friends helping me to sail
he's really really good

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 1:07pm

Hi,

If you are learning to sail this isn't the best time of year to learn because you need to spend a bomb on equipment to keep warm and in strong wind's thing's break easier on boats.

 

Not many clubs run training in the winter except if you are in a zone or something like that !!!!

 

Learning in the summer is much more fun otherwise the winter wind's might put you off especially when you go for a swim !

 

Although you may find that the summer brings a hell of a lot less wind !



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 1:46pm
Do you know where the wind is blowing from?  Try to make that a sixth sense - so start by looking around and picking up clues every few moments.  You can practice this at any time, outdoors.


Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 2:53pm
That is a very good  comment redback, helps you get the 'feel' for the wind.  Wish someone was able to say that to me when I first started. A big tip that costs....only your time but will help you so much. 

Have fun learning Useless Eustace, as your skill developes you may need a name change though......Eustace the great!! 


Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 7:40pm
I think there are three key skills that beginners find hard to master.

1. knowing where the wind is coming from (both true and relative) and by inference understanding that it never stays constant.

2. Understanding (intuitively) the boats direction / course relative to the wind, tide and ground.

3. Being confident that their brain knows where their hands and feet are without having to look at them - hence they are free to look around (and particularly in the direction they intend to sail).

They are also difficult to teach because, like riding a bike or driving a car, to the experienced sailor they are completely intuitive.

For beginners I think it is sometimes worth getting them to crew blindfolded for 10 minutes (no gybes)and ask them to think about the feeling and motion of the boat and wind. For would be racers helming blindfolded is a well known coaching exercise.



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Garry

Lark 2252, Contender 298

www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 8:01pm
Cheers everybody who has helped me so far and I spent most of my ICT and PSE lesson looking out the window watching where the wind was coming from.

Thanks again


Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 8:16pm
cool, welcome to the world of sailing keep us updated!

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Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 8:29pm
I will

I'll probably start in 2 or 3 weeks time with my friend down at Chew Valley or Saltford.


Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 25 Feb 05 at 11:57pm

I'm impressed you took my advice so thoroughly - but that Garry knows what he's talking about too. 

What I would like to say is that sailing is a tremendously challenging sport.  You have to learn to do so many skills intuitively so that you can then use your brain on the many decisions you have to take as well, especially if you are racing.  Also there are no rules which say a boat must be easy to sail so in consequence some are very difficult to control (but fast).  If you watch people sail a RS300 or Moth, Laser 4000, RS800 or 49er (and many others) they can make it look easy.  It isn't but that is part of the challenge.  You control a machine which is difficult and in environment which is forever changing and then you try and race and do it better than all those around.  It can take a lifetime to get it even reasonably good.  Finally I say fast and then maybe you ask how fast is that - say 12 mph and you probably think that is nothing.  Wait until you race a boat and find yourself doing that sort of speed alongside your competitors - it feels a lot faster than anything you'd ever achieve in a car or on a motorbike.  You'll have a lot more crashes too - but fortunately they won't kill you, but that doesn't stop them from frightening you silly.  I love it.



Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 10:44am

Some very good advice there,

Useless Eustace,

If you come down to Chew either tommorow or contact me to find a time that suits you, i will show you what all the sail control's do and take you out to show you the basics if you like.

Some other thing's that you can look out for when you arent actually sailing is familiarising yourself with how you can tell if a gust is coming because gusts (short spell of strong wind) and lull's (a short spell of not much wind) can cause you to cpasise and unless you have the right gear capsising in this weather isnt much fun.

 

After say 2/3 capsises you will most likely feel completely knackered after pulling yourself onto the daggerboard and when you do feel exhausted you are more likely to make mistakes and capsise again so GO IN !!!



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by redback

I'm impressed you took my advice so thoroughly - but that Garry knows what he's talking about too. 




Praise indeed! Thankyou Redback

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Garry

Lark 2252, Contender 298

www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 6:19pm
Im sure Garry's peased to konw that he knows what he's talking about !

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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 10:38am
Thankyou to everybody thats answered my question so far.
But what shall I wear to start off with??


Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 10:39am
Being an 'assistant' instructor myself (hoping to get my instructors this year) judging gusts and reacting intuitively is definetly what beginners find hardest. Where I sail we often have very gusty winds and the begginer kids always have problems when the winds going form 3 then gusting to 5!! We definetly need the rescue boats in those conditions!


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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 11:23am

If you are going to sail this time of year you need quite a bit of specialised clothing - I'd suggest you wait until after Easter and then you'll need a long john wet suit, some sort of water and wind proof top and something on your feet that won't get compleltely ruined by being wet.  I'm sure you can improvise the water proof top and the foot wear and the long john will cost you about £60.  I should go without saying that you need some sort of bouyancy aid which at first you can probably borrow.  Don't wear a life jacket - too bulky.

If you are tempted to go out in this weather and you're only wearing what I have described, then don't, it could kill you.



Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 3:01pm
A very good point redback, our club dont train people until may for the reason that its too dangerous to be teaching learners in these temperatures. The best bet is to wait a bit longer, often enough we get some good wind in spring that isnt as icy cold as it is at the minute - the only people that shud be sailing at the minute should be experienced and wearing a drysuit/steamer! (oh yeh and you have to be midly insane too)



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Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices!

Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs'

The New Port rule!!.


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 4:52pm
KK

This may sound stupid but what's a daggerboard?


Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:32pm

Centerboard - Retractable board which pivots up and down below the hull, acting as a keel helping to reduce sidewys drift - Daggerboard is wery simlar but lifts up n down,

i would have added a picture but stupid p.c. wont let me,



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Jon
Vortex 1169
http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:43pm
thx


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:48pm
Yeah and is the thing you use to get the boat the right way up after a capsise..............BLIMEY sailing was chilly 2day......ha to break ice on the boats !

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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:52pm
i would have loved to have gone sailing today, but all the club boats r inside the club house so i can't get um out on mi own and i don't get my new boat till 11th march

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Jon
Vortex 1169
http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:53pm
Aww poor you !

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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:57pm
ha has sam attcked ure boat yet wave rider.
(did KT & Ellie go) lol


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 5:59pm
Whats the BASC no?


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:34pm

I'll tell you tommorow but you would have to join sharpish because the sailing season starts at  BASC next weekend!

Although when you are a bit more exprienced and no what your doing join a Champion club..................there's two near Bristol (Axebridge and Chew).............personally i prefer Chew but Garry sail's at Axebridge....................by the way im going to Axebridge for a Topper event  soon so i hope theres more wind than last time !



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:51pm
..or if you like tidal waters you could try Clevedon.

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Posted By: terraslazer
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:58pm
wow i used to live in nailsea jst down the road from clevedon and i wouldnt sail there, the tide is sooo strong and the water is brown.

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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 8:02pm
u wanna try sailingon our little lake, its 4-6ft deep wiv a big thick layer of mud/clay to run down ur sail when u capsize, the waters horrible, green/brown, tho its great 4 me cos i only live over the road from it, :D

too many geese tho.

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Jon
Vortex 1169
http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 8:59pm

Lol,

 

In clevedon the tide is very strong and you drift miles !!! Also it get very choppy in fairly light airs and you have to sit on the transom to stop pitching 



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 5:04pm

Anyone else got any comments about Clevedon?



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 5:45pm
erm.. it's near weston-super-mare where vicky pollard is from!?

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 6:24pm

Lol yeah,

I'm going dry skiing/snowboarding near weston-super-mare next week...................last time i nearly broke my finger



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           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933


Posted By: Useless Eustace
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 5:25pm
hey I leave near weston
Vicky pollard lives in fishponds
(where Sam Lives lol)



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