quick release harnesses
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Topic: quick release harnesses
Posted By: bluesailing
Subject: quick release harnesses
Date Posted: 30 Sep 08 at 5:08pm
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Hi, Does anyone have any idea if quick release harnesses are going to be compulsory as of Jan 2009? I have had a quick look at the new rules on the ISAF website and there does not seem to be a 40.2............ |
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Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 30 Sep 08 at 6:43pm
| wether they are or not i think its a good idea |
Posted By: bluesailing
Date Posted: 30 Sep 08 at 6:54pm
| I agree but I think they need some more development first, in my opinion the ones out at the moment are high maintenance and unreliable, I can't see significant design improvements happening before January |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 30 Sep 08 at 7:09pm
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According to spyderman in the rules thread, they are not going to be made compulsory.
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 30 Sep 08 at 8:10pm
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i found a very good one on a crew saver harness in the show. its comming in the post this week, i hope its the same QR i saw in the show as i really liked it |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 7:48am
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Wait till you use it Feva Sailor!! I have a near new Majic marine Skiff Light QR harness just sat in my cupboard at home! its a piece of sh*t! ------------- |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 9:47am
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Just accept sailing is dangerous,use a standard hook and get on with it. If you look at the number of people who have died through trapeze hook entrapment the number is so small that you'll probably find more people have keeled over playing tennis!!!
The Quick release hooks available are expensive and also prone to not working or working too well! |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 9:52am
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I agree with craiggo - my worst sailing experience involved tying my leg to the boat with the mainsheet - nothing to do with the trapeze - and I have been trapezing for more than 20 years now. I wouldn't say sailing was dangerous either - fatality rates, or even serious injury stats, are surprisingly low when you consider what we do with ourselves and our boats! ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:37am
Thanks Jimbo, wehn i wore it it felt like i was wearing my wifes undercrackers again!!  ------------- |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 11:07am
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I bought one (Magic Marine) when there was talk of it becoming a rule and i had to get a new harness anyway so i thought i might as well get one, it has come out once accidently and it did mean i lost half a days racing as i lost the hook, i like it though as the hook pokes out slightly more, i have taped it up now as i don't want it coming out a again and i would prefer just to carry a knife ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 5:37pm
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I sincerely hope not. Making q.r. compulsory would outlaw my flush hook which imho is much safer - you don't get hooked up in the first place on those very rare occasions when the conventional hook might get caught. Moreover, you don't score or puncture the boat in the meantime - a far higher risk of projecting hooks. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 6:27pm
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on the subject of wires i take it its wise to have a knife?
what one and where do i keep it? in a seath on my leg or on the boat
is it better if i start a new thread? |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 6:38pm
If it's just for emergencies I would suggest: You can put it in a pocket or tie it to your buoyancy aid, but no knife is going to cut wire!------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: pete_chinnock
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 6:45pm
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i have that magic marine line on a strap on my bouyancy aid, but make sure you just put perhaps a couple of stitches holding the fabric handle to the sheath, thin enough to just snap when you need it. didn't do this on my first one and i brushed against it or something, needless to say, they dont float! ------------- Pete RS700 702 |
Posted By: FreshScum
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 7:27pm
You can cut the rope that is part of the adjuster. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:01pm
That would be bloody useless when you need it most. Can you imagin fumbling around with that little hooky thing. I have on of these either in my BA or strapped to the middle of my boat. http://imageshack.us">  ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:09pm
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Second that Ross, those yellow knives are fantastic!
------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:24pm
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By the time you need it, that magic marine thing would have rusted to paper.
http://boyeknives.com/Index.cfm?CFID=4582905&CFTOKEN=20971177&jsessionid=a43037a82c9e5c4c3a70 - Boye Boat Knife , goes with me everywhere. |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:36pm
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Whatever you use, for going through rope in an emergancy a serrated blade is the dogs danglies. You're not after clean, you're after quick.
I'd argue that if you sail cats or something with big mesh covered wings, a pointed blade is better than a snub nose one, but for all other boats the rounded "safety" end is a good idea. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 01 Oct 08 at 10:47pm
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No point in having anything that folds either.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: RyanV49er
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 1:18pm
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Knives are essential to have on board, but if you've ever been trapped under a sail, tied into the boat as it inverts or fell onto the kite in the water, you'll know that you never, ever, think "ok, there's a knife on the back of the boat". You just end up working your arse off trying to untangle yourself. Also, if your crew or helm was under the boat and didn't come up, what could you do? jump under the boat brandishing a knife, see under water in the doom and gloom, figure out how he's tied up, avoid his scrambling at you, and calmly uncut him? That would never, ever happen. Far better to stop arsing around, get weight on the side of the boat and bring her back up onto her side and hope like hell a rescue boat has seen your mayday calls and is on its way. ------------- Online sailing: For when you just can't get to the club: http://visser49erracing.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/online-sailing/ - Visser49erracing |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 2:25pm
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Absolutely. That was certainly the conclusion I drew after reading the report on last year's fatality in the 4k's. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 3:25pm
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where would i keep it? I want to wear an over top because theres a few straps on my harness and alot seem to wear them over their Baids. |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 09 Oct 08 at 9:17pm
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I wear mine on a string round my neck or in a spray top pocket. It is a folding one because I don't fancy having an open one, even in a sheath, that close to my body. It is a mix of serrated and smooth blade. Yes, it is better to get the boat upright asap, but I think feva sailor was worrying about how best to help him/herself if they are caught up under the boat. I would only use my knife as an absolute last resort, but it is good to have it to hand for a real emergency. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 11 Oct 08 at 11:00pm
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The trouble with the 4k is that one person will not stop it from inverting. And its certainly true that you are unlikely to be able to cut somebody free in the doom and gloom underwater. The only answer is get clear of the boat as soon as it capsises and don't have a single thing that can snag - so certainly no knives or sheaths on straps. |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 11 Oct 08 at 11:11pm
| On second thoughts I'd better clarify. The rig on a 4000 is heavy, not only is the aluminium mast long it also carries a mainsail with full length glassfibre battens. Once the mast tip is under the water (and to leeward of the hull) my 13.5 stone (and using righting lines) will not prevent it from inverting. I can only right the boat by pulling the boat so that the sail is upwind of the hull. Thus any capsise to leeward means the boat is going to have to go inverted and then the rig pulled up on the windward side. Thus if my crew is snagged she will drown. |
Posted By: RyanV49er
Date Posted: 13 Oct 08 at 9:10am
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Maybe the answer is with the manufacturers. Heavey masts that leak will make it very difficult to right the boat, so maybe they should start producing sealed masts that sink slower and are easier to pull back up? I know the 800 has a sealed mast, for example. ------------- Online sailing: For when you just can't get to the club: http://visser49erracing.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/online-sailing/ - Visser49erracing |
Posted By: feva sailor
Date Posted: 13 Oct 08 at 9:50pm
| we use a mast float when training and in club races we get 5 points on the handicap because of the loos off speed |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 12:12am
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The latest 3000's use sealed masts and external halyards (main halyard runs in the luff groove). I've been quite surprised what a difference it has made - inversion is now a rarity. A very rough calculation estimated that instead of 6 or 7 kg of mast pushing down, we now have 9kg nett buoyancy pushing up. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 15 Oct 08 at 10:12am
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I bought the magic-marine light weight Skiff harness. I think it works well. Straps are tucked nicely away and fits. I don't find it 'rusts away to paper thin' . I do check that the quick-release hook is properly loaded before going out. I found it can be dislodged and may only be 1/2 in. I often carry a spare hook in my bounacy aid, in the unlikely event that if I 'blow' the hook I can reload a new one.
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