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Topic: tornado today
Posted By: oz man
Subject: tornado today
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:02am

good day for our tornado boys so far this morning with a 2nd and 3rd.

all us cat sailors got upset that the cat has been dropped from 2012 but we shouldnt be, i dont think we will be able to tell the difference from this olympics to weymouth as they havent shown a single tornado race so far (or even highlights) the ironing boards and half boats have had at least one race each most have had two televised races but the tornado has had nothing. prehaps icrap is hoping nobody notices that its gone missing in 2012




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Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:28am

Well done to Leigh and Will. Pulled it back so at least they are in the medal race.

Thats Team GB in every medal race of the regatta. Did any other of the countries manage that?



Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:37am
Andy Rice has hinted that moves are afoot to re-instate a cat for 2012.  Lets hope so.

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Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:37am
Originally posted by tornado435

Well done to Leigh and Will. Pulled it back so at least they are in the medal race.

Thats Team GB in every medal race of the regatta. Did any other of the countries manage that?



Doubt it - there weren't that many countries represented in every fleet -

USA certainly didn't manage it in several classes - Laser, 470s, RS:X, Tornado,

AUS didn't manage it in star, finn and amazing in the Laser...

CHN had entrants in every class, but didn't manag it in quite a few classes, stars, 49ers, 470s etc



Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 10:36am

Originally posted by Chew my RS

Andy Rice has hinted that moves are afoot to re-instate a cat for 2012.  Lets hope so.

This has "been on the cards" for a while, but it does mean a few people in high places will "loose face" so don't bank on it. 

 

Fingers crossed.....



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Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 12:55pm
No TV coverage at all.... you can't help feeling that the powers that be are letting the T fade out quietly without any fuss

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Posted By: sstannard
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 1:45pm
Let's hope the medal race is televised! And being on the A course, it should give the spectators something to think about. 

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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 7:01pm
6 am tomorrow morning is the medal race for the tornado .(so they were saying earlier)

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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 10:18pm

Originally posted by les5269

6 am tomorrow morning is the medal race for the tornado .(so they were saying earlier)

 

Windguru forcast says there may be some wind around 11-16 kts and 2m waves!



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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:14am

finally some real sailing and some wind about mailto:f@?!ing - f@?!ing time.

will and leigh going well aswell come on boys



Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:17am
wheeeeeeeeeeeee!


Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:20am
This racing is great to watch.  So camera freindly.

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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:39am

well done guys great race.

The tornado looked fantastic, decent camera shots, high speed action brilliant to watch even ben said they saved the best til last. congratulations to the muppetts at icrap (isaf) for voting out the most exciting class in the olympics rip tornado



Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 8:27am
Hmm..sorry but I found it dull...

Ok so I was a bit later out of bed this morning so I missed the 1st round, but on the second lap the cats were so far apart that it was impossible to tell what was going on...the odd 'oh will the pitchpole' was mildly amusing in a 49er crash and burn type fashion but there was none of the boat on boat actioin.

Then the leadmines..looked good for the swede, the BRA, then Perce & Bart got their groove on downhill, then back BRA's way up the second beat, Perce gets round in the mix at the top mark, SWE gybes off and GBR can't/don't cover...
Every boat crossed the fiinish line within seconds..

Absolutely fantatistic RACING!!




Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 10:44am

Fantastic to watch.  This is the second race my Son has watched (see 49 medalace thread).  He loved it. 

 

Oz, I think he now wants a Tornado!!!!!

Well done to Leigh and Will (who crewed for me now and then ).

Must pop an Email/text message off to Will.

 



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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:03pm

simon good news the boy wants  a torn now.

laser 4000 you missed the first lap and found it dull !!!!!!!!!!! i only missed the first 10 seconds of the 100 meters and thought that was dull !! everyone disagrees with me and said it was amazing. i shall sleep well knowing i am never wrong and everyone else is



Posted By: scullyman
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:13pm

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I thought they were both awesome.  The Stars were a great example of what the purist in me loves about racing: tactics and boatspeed combined.

The T's on the other hand - what a spectacle.  I have to say that in comparison the 49ers looked pedestrian and there was much less clarity over the racing.  I'm also loving the fact that Leigh and Will hit the front and showed their capability... left us with a bit of pride in the one class that I was starting to feel gloomy about.

To combine a load of different threads, I sympathise with other people's comments on the 49er but I still think they're great in the lighter stuff.  Rather than squabbling about classes, I suggest that we drop softball (There's baseball, right?  Isn't that like us including the Finn and the Optimist as two different classes?!) or men's beach volleyball (you've got normal volleyball; what's the difference?) and get the cats reinstated.



Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:17pm
dont think you are in the minority at all i thought both were brilliant today aswell


Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:24pm

Brought it home to me today what an absolute 'kin disgrace they are dropping the Tornado.  I'm not a multi man but for sheer boatspeed, spectacle and camera friendly opportunities they have to be simply the best class out there.  Much as I enjoyed watching some of the other classes race, they were simply not as exciting to watch.  Watchig that windward board just slicing into the higher wave crests from the onboad camera as they sent it downwind was awesome.

ISAF, are you really that incompetent and ignorant of the views of the people who's sport you are supposed to represent or is there some other reason that you'd rather not talk to us about?

I'm embarrassed to even have your sticker in the cockpit of my Fireball.



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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:28pm
Sailing on the Telly  don't care, its all good!

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Iain C

ISAF, are you really that incompetent and ignorant of the views of the people who's sport you are supposed to represent or is there some other reason that you'd rather not talk to us about?

We westerners do need to remember that there's the rest of the world out there. By and large the rest of the world doesn't seem to want to race high performance catamarans (or skiffs either to be fair). They seem to be racing 470s, Lasers, Boards and Finns, strange as it might seem to us...


Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:19pm

Fair point, but as the classes are supposed to be representative of various aspects of the sport, the omission of a multi just seems plain daft.  And how many people around the world choose match racing as thier chosen way of competing in the sport?  Personally, I find it very dull to watch and it worries me that it's the thin end of the wedge to drive all Olmpic sailing towards a more "easy to understand" one on one format.

Just like the "medal race"...



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 6:32pm
Well you certainly won't find me making an argument for match racing. Fleet racing is how most women round the world seem to do their lead mine racing...

As I've said before I can't come up with a satisfactory slate of 10 events bearing in mind all the competing requirements, popularities and my own prejudices...
The widespread popularity and small country bit says 2 470s, 2 boards, 2 Lasers.
My prejudices towards fast boats says 2 skiffs and a multihull.
The need for leadmine facilities so we can have sailing in the paralympics says two leadmines.
100 boats at their masters worlds and huge popularity in Eastern Europe and their general worldwide distribution says Finn.
That's, what, 12...



Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 7:55pm
I found the decision to drop multihulls about the worse decision they could've made.  I would go for;
2 lasers, 2 boards - thus getting the share of less developed countries
2 skiffs - I know the 49er is an 'open' class but how many woman sail them. 
1 multihull
1 470
1 leadminer



Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 10:01am
debates about what classes should be in the Olympics could go on and on... but I think the more relevant question is why is sailing being pushed to reduce the number of medals and competitors?

i) Sailing is an environmentally 'sound' sport
ii) Sailing provides an opportunity for poorer nations to compete with those with more finances (e.g. Brazil, Argentina)
ii) Sailing tests both technical and athletic ability
iii) Sailing can be accomodated for a relatively modest cost in the overall Olympic facilities budget (as long as a marina exists already in a suitable location)

When I see sooooooo many Swimming events, Rowing, Kayak and Canoe events, Beach Volleyball, BMX, dozens of shooting events, dozens of diving events etc... I do wonder why IOC is pushing ISAF to drop an event.....

As for the decision to have match racing of fleet racing for womens keelboat, don't ask me, seems completely devoid of any logic and will make for far more 'boring' TV than the fleet racing has.

Also - before someone says this - I don't care if people watching the highlights don't get how someone can finish last and still win a gold or how the boats are pictured on the beat and who is leading... I am the only sailor in my office and everyone there seems to have been able to keep up very well, the BBC coverage has had some holes in it, but overall I think they've done a stand up job.... plus I don't pretend to understand the rules & tactics of Olympic Boxing, Wrestling, Badminton, Cycling's Madison (loopy or what ?) or indeed, the tactical aspects of 10k swimming, but it hasn't stopped me and several million others enjoying them.

well done Team GB, well done BBC, now come on ISAF, get back in the room with the IOC and your own technical panel and come to the right conclusions, we don't want much, we just want you to listen to what appears to be the majority consensus amongst the sailing public!


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Posted By: Stuart O
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 10:03am
Well said Getafix  


Posted By: scullyman
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 11:25am

I sometimes think that as sailors we have a collective concern that people won't understand our sport and try and compensate... when other sports just don't care.  I actually understand the Madison - and it's watchable - but I've just "wasted" a good few minutes of my life watching two blokes bounce up and down on the balls of their feet in a semi-final that purports to be taekwondo.  Hmmm...

In my opinion getafix's point is spot on.  When the IOC / ISAF announced that a class was to be dropped, there was plenty of "my class is better than yours" going on.  Perhaps instead we should unite and say "hold on a minute, why are you dropping any?"

I personally am a big fan of all sport, but if we look at (and please forgive me any rowers or kayakers out there who are offended by this collection) "paddling" based sports there are an amazing number of different disciplines and distances!  Why shouldn't we have: Laser - 1km windward; Laser - 2km sausage; Laser - 3km triangle as separate events?!

JimC made an excellent point earlier about why each class is being sailed and you'd struggle to justify why any should be dropped.  IIRC, there was very little difference between the number of votes for the T and the keelboat.  Now I don't know the number of different nations competing in each event but I suspect that sailing's a match for many.  It's time to make a stand!




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