RS 700 info?
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Topic: RS 700 info?
Posted By: Kareir
Subject: RS 700 info?
Date Posted: 15 Aug 08 at 10:35pm
Hey There,
I was wondering if i could have a non-biased opinion of the RS 700? I've sailed the Fevas, and while i think they're a good beginner boat, their preformance (in my experience) has been, to be polite, bad.
Also, what weight is required to sail it? I'm just over 12 stone, and have sailed lasers for 5 years, both 4.7 and radial, and occasionally full rig in lighter weather. I've sailed trapeze boats, and raced 420/laser 2s, but never sailed a singlehander trapeze boat.
Thanks a lot,
_Kar.
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Posted By: solutionsailor
Date Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 9:08pm
Well at our club there are several rs 600 and recently there was a rs700. The man that sailed that was only a little bit heavier than you unfortunately he prefered he's rs 600 and is now selling he's 700 if you are intrested.
------------- Sonny Hart
15
Gunfleet Sailing Club
Redeye Solution
Ex Hobie 405
Ex Topper
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 11:02pm
The 700 is weight equalised and can be raced effectively by a wide range of weights. The circuit is currently being led by a 78kg sailor and the Europeans have just been won by someone who is over 90kg. At 12 Stone you'll be absolutely fine.
Moving from a laser to the 700 is quite a leap, but I managed it as have a number of others, and haven't stopped grinning first.
As to where you'll find an unbiased opinion, I'm not sure. I sail one and think it's awesome, but then I sail one so I would. Feel freee to PM me if you've got any other questions.
Ian
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Posted By: Kareir
Date Posted: 23 Aug 08 at 6:14pm
Do you know why he switched from 700 back to 600?
Thanks a lot,
_Kar.
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 23 Aug 08 at 8:30pm
Well, seen from the outside, the 700 is quite a handful. To quote a very experienced sailor and coach in our club, it's "the most challenging single hander you can get". Our resident 700er nodded emphatically...
The sail area is bigger than a Musto Skiff and it's got many idiosyncracies you've got to get used to.
It's also getting into the realm of skiff handling, sometimes far away from the traditional monohull dinghy sailing. Our same resident 700er, who made the switch after being highly competitive for many years in Contenders, spent many a time swimming around his new toy. After two seasons, he's getting much more confident and he's not dreading those high speed gybes quite so much.
Really, Kareir, if you fancy that boat, if you're ready to swim but have time and determination to tame it, go for it! They're not too expensive and are loads of fun. I only wish I was good enough (and heavy enough) to give it a go.
Finally, don't forget to let us know how you're doing and post some photos 
Have fun!
------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 1:18am
Originally posted by Black no sugar
Really, Kareir, if you fancy that boat, if you're ready to swim but have time and determination to tame it, go for it! They're not too expensive and are loads of fun.
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Hi BNS.
As usual you are quite right. After getting to the point where a single capsize in the Laser left me feeling really annoyed with myself, getting back onto a learning curve was just what I needed to avoid taking up golf.
Say hi to GA for me.
Cheers
Ian
http://www.aroundthecans.co.uk/gallery_magnify.asp?id=396082582008 - http://www.aroundthecans.co.uk/gallery_magnify.asp?id=396082 582008
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 11:30am
Originally posted by Kareir
Do you know why he switched from 700 back to 600?
Thanks a lot,
_Kar.
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just a geuss but because the 600 is a completely different beast from anything else out there at all he might have not been able to get over the feeling of how a 600 glides to windward. The 7 may have a kite but the 600 IS quicker upwind and i reckon its more challenging to sail. because of the stupidly round hull shape its so twitchy and you will never really master it, there's always a bit more speed to be had out of it.
I made the jump from laser to 600, with a bit of practice trapezing on a fireball and 800 in between but not much. its taken me a years worth of swimming to get it round a course without a capsize, and by god is it rewarding.
obviously im slightly biased but i have sailed both boats. I much prefer the layout of the 600 to the 7, i dont like how you have such a step out over all the lumpy bits in the cockpit of a 7.
------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 11:50am
"but the 600 IS quicker upwind "
Are you sure? I know what I've seen when we've shared circuit events....
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 1:58pm
Mike, I dont know which 700s you've been watching but the 7 is definately quicker upwind than the 600, as proven at many of the opens they have shared in the past.
Having previously owned a 600 and competed in the circuit for many years, and now owning a 700 I would agree that the deck layout of the 700 isnt as easy to live with as the 600 however this is compensated by the higher boom, also the extra stability of the 700 makes getting in off the wire and across the boat easier than with the 6, (its easier to stay standing up).
For Kareir however, I would suggest that a 600 is probably for you the better boat to develop your skills in. With no singlehanded trapeze experience you are going to get very wet, and the boat will take a lot of punishment, and the 600 is in my opinion a little more robust than the 7. Spend a few years getting to grips with the 600 and if you are still enjoying it and the courses sailed at your club are predominantly W/L then move onto the 700 and you can then focus on learning the downwind technique without having to worry about tacking it.
Paul
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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 3:20pm
I think in the breeze the 600 would have the edge over the 700. Having raced against mustos, which are a similar speed up wind to the 700, the 600 is quicker when you have a nice force 5 on your hands.
------------- RS600 988
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 10:58pm
600s are quicker upwind. I know what ive seen at ciruit events and the 7s can't catch a 6 upwind but more than make up for it downwind. The 600 is better for club racing unless you get W/L courses cos you can reach around easily.
------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 30 Aug 08 at 11:15pm
everyone says about the instability of the 600, what is it like to the 300 and a 29er? both are unstable at slow speeds yet once moving simply require precise steering to maintain the balance. i am also considering a 700 because for that price the value is outstanding and i want something which will challenge and improve my sailing....
------------- Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410
Firefly F517 - Nutshell
Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Aug 08 at 12:38am
Originally posted by tmoore
everyone says about the instability of the 600, what is it like to the 300 and a 29er? |
I'd say similar. The 700 is more like a bigger boat.
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 31 Aug 08 at 12:46am
so more like a 500 say? (the hull/deck on the 500 and 700 look rather similar actually. even the layouts are quite similar considering how different the boats are meant to be....
just noticed the gooseneck is not at the base of the mast like the musto but rather slightly up the mast and with a conventional kicker. it looks slightly odd on that boat, does it still work as well with the angled boom?
------------- Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410
Firefly F517 - Nutshell
Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Aug 08 at 12:51am
Originally posted by tmoore
so more like a 500 say? |
Well it was based on an early prototype of what became the 800...
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Sep 08 at 9:05am
700 is more stable than 600 and does feel a little bigger but dont be fooled into thinking its rock steady, its still a pretty tippy boat.
Kicker works fine, the only issue with the angled boom is that when pulling the main down you have to make sure that the outhaul is off or you'll rip the boltrope off.
If anything the lever used on the musto skiff is the unusual approach but is the only sensible way, given the gooseneck is pretty much at the mast heel.
Stability wise the 300 is probably marginally more unstable than the 600, purely down to the immersed beam, however you dont have the complication of hooking on and unhooking to move around in a 300.
700 hull shape is loosely derived from the 800, and it would be sensible to assume that some of the 500 styling is taken from the 800 as well, as its a recognisable feature of the RS brands
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