Classic boat
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Topic: Classic boat
Posted By: Rupert
Subject: Classic boat
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 1:28pm
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Hi all, I'm stumped, looking for the next singlehander in a long line... It has to be: designed before 1965 Over 25 years old (to meet CVRDA requirements) faster than a Laser (PY 1078 or faster) suitable for a fairly sailing time poor fairly unfit 10 3/4 stone middle aged helm. For sailing on a small lake, mainly. Currently sailing an1970 Int moth, but it is very painful and except on a reach in a howler slower than a Laser. Winged Moths out due to not liking water quite enough... I'm beginning to see why the Laser was such a hit when it came out...ideas, please! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 4:19pm
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I dont think you have many options especially if you want it to be faster than a Laser.
The only things I could come up with was International Canoe, Contender or Finn, but neither fit your requirements in terms of your sailing time or weight, or likely sailing location ! Other suggestions would be an OK (only just slower than a Laser) but again your slightly on the light side. You've got me stumped as well ! Paul |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 4:23pm
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you will be ok at that weight in an IC, iun fact there is a classic on elooking for a good home on the IC website so it would fit in really nicely. ------------- |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 4:25pm
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Sorry A Contender was not designed until 1967 and I would not describe it as suitable to sail on a small lake. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 4:40pm
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Mirros can be una-rigged. Don't know about new ones, but many older ones (including the one I had) had a second mast step, and second shroud chainplate attachment points, forward of the standard ones.
But as you suddenly realised, that's a lot, lot slower than a Laser. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 7:16pm
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I used to sail our mirror una rigged when the kids were tiny, so they could crawl around on the foredeck without a nasty flappy sail getting in the way! We have a couple of contenders on the lake occasionally, and they do pretty well (it is about 100 acres) but sadly they don't qualify for the classics, by a couple of years. Not sure the Int Canoe would actually be quicker than the Lasers once I'd pulled it upright after each gybe...I've sailed them a little, but wouldn't have the time to put in to master them, even to club level. The OK is certainly a possibility. Hoping to have a play in one soon. Not sure I'm man enough to get a Finn back up the slipway, which is a shame, as there are some very pretty wooden Fairey Finns around. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 01 Jul 08 at 7:40pm
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its got to be an ok then! They are awesome boats and perform well at cvrda events. ------------- |
Posted By: neilw
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 11:40am
Go for the Fairey Finn! you can always add a jockey wheel to the launching trolley. ------------- |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 2:00pm
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Solo? Not officially faster than a Laser, but they give them a good run on our lake in the right conditions. ------------- http://www.sailns14.org - http://www.sailns14.org - The ultimate family raceboat now available in the UK |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 4:17pm
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What about a ToY? ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 4:30pm
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ToY and Solo have both been owned in the past. The ToY was great on a reach but really suffered upwind, and the shroud base was so far back that running was a nightmare. Fun boat for a blast, but not great round a race track. The Solo was nice to sail, but I'm really looking for something a bit quicker. Certainly quicker than my old glass one was...Good suggestions, though. Must have a play in a Finn at Netley, Neil, though I hear they like to break their helms! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 4:33pm
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Ok, 1972 book of dinghies......not sure of speed or when they were designed but these are the single handers i have found......... Bonito, British Moth, Contender, Dolphin Sailer, Durafloat 3.10, Felix (cat), Finn, Fly, Jiffy, MInisail, International Moth, OK, Poole AB, Puffin, Seafire, Solo, 10sq. M. Canoe ToY, Unicorn (cat) Are any of them any good? ------------- |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 9:18pm
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I have a penchant for classics too - hence the purchase of the i14 K869 - so if I were going for a single hander on a small lake it would have to be a British Moth. I got outbid for one on ebay which was a shame....apparently they can be hard to get hold of. I've had an OK too - nice boat and probably just about alright for your weight range. I'm hoping to make it to Netley on the 20th to get some ideas from other classic i14s that may be there. http://www.britishmoth.co.uk/index.html - British Moths Home Page ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 02 Jul 08 at 11:00pm
| Firefly was, once (and once only), the men's Olympic singlehander. How about an old Fairey wooden one? |
Posted By: PeterV
Date Posted: 03 Jul 08 at 12:42pm
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Rupert, Get a Finn, you know it makes sense! I had my first Finn when I was 16 and weighed 10 stone, I loved it. I'm still having a lot of fun in my Finn over 30 years later and I'm still way underweight! Advantages of a Finn on small waters and underweight; 1. You're fast in light winds because its got a good sail area; 2. Its fast on dead runs because the boom goes all the way out so sailing by the lee is fast; 3. In strong winds your experience will make up for your lack of weight so you will still be fast. Or you could take the soft option and go for an OK!! ------------- PeterV Finn K197, Finn GBR564, GK29 Warsash |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Jul 08 at 1:05pm
The non-survivors all have their problems, so only the surviving classes are left. If you then factor in Rupert's small lake and desire to be quicker than a Laser you're left with the Finn. Never thought I'd find myself recommending one: too heavy for me! Think I'd stick with the Moth or go to a Canoe sized lake. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 12:08pm
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Hmmm...just sold the British Moth, and I do race Fireflies singlehanded most weekends, but both good suggestions, thanks! Of the list, the only unusual one on it of the sort of singlehander we are talking about is the Bonito, which was well and truly killed by the Laser. I have never worked out how it comes to have such a slow yardstick for such a big boat. Anyone here ever sailed one? The Fairey Finn route would involve me getting our 2nd Firefly done up before taking on another hot moulded boat. Certainly the prettist, though. Thank you all for your imput! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 12:15pm
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The non-survivors all have their problems, so only the surviving classes are left. /QUOTE] Well yeah! I knew that.....thats why they aren't surviving!! I meant are any of them good enough for his needs! ------------- |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 12:28pm
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Pre 1965 limits the choice somewhat. When was the minisprint (with the sliding seat) designed? ------------- http://www.sailns14.org - http://www.sailns14.org - The ultimate family raceboat now available in the UK |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 1:05pm
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The minisprint dates back far enough. I owned on when I lived in Aberystwyth, sailing on the Irish sea, and it was great fun on open water. More recently, I owned a Minisail with a bolt on seat on the lake, and to be honest it was more fun without the seat, which tended to be in the way more than it helped with leverage. Might just be me, though, finding it tricky in the shifty breeze. Both boats would have been much better with a less bendy rig, especially the boom.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 1:59pm
We had 7 or 8 Bonitos at my club in the mid 70s, nice offwind but they just didn't want to go upwind. They had a pathetic little daggerboard too from what I recall. They all leaked big time, the fastest Bonito of the day was usually the boat that took least water. Well and truly killed by the mighty Laser! |
Posted By: scullyman
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 2:01pm
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I had no idea what a Bonito was so I Googled it. Lo and behold, someone's giving one away here http://fyca.sbmyc.com/ForSalePages/BoatsForsale.htm - http://fyca.sbmyc.com/ForSalePages/BoatsForsale.htm . Sorry if you saw this already (and I didn't check the date on the advert so also sorry if it's ages old). Er... it's not all that pretty! Beauty in the eye...? |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 3:03pm
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I'd not seen that! Amazing what is on the web. Looking at the description, I'm not sure it is even worth what he is giving it away for, mind... As for beauty, I'm sure its mother loved it... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Adam MR 1137
Date Posted: 04 Jul 08 at 3:24pm
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Hi, I would have to say an OK is the obvious choice. I can in the right conditions beat our club lasers on the water. Having just moved from a solo to an OK I can say they are enormous fun and I much prefer sailing my OK to the old solo. Adam ------------- Merlin rocket 1137 OK 2049 Can be seen at http://www.wellandyachtclub.co.uk/ - WYC |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 14 Jul 08 at 9:35pm
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Another Bonito: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300241658576&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300 241658576&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 The rig gives one clue why it was relatively slow. The facts that it is too narrow to provide a righting moment adequate for a decent size rig and that it has a massive wetted area give further clues. But although slow in light airs, they were winners on handicap in a blow, at least in the hands of a certain 'Chuck Shepherd'. ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 20 Jul 08 at 10:53am
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Have you got anything yet? If not......what about this?? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toy-T2000-Sailing-Boat_W0QQitemZ170241185363QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170241185363&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toy-T2000-Sailing-Boat_W0QQitemZ170241 185363QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170241185363&_trksid=p3286 .m14.l1318 Adam ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 10:34pm
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I remember that boat when it came out as a ToY update. Good idea in its way, as there are no high performance scows for singlehanders in the UK, and the Furball seems to do pretty well for 2 handers. Trouble is, it would have still been slower than a Contender, and harder to sail, and blown away by the 600. I'd been hoping to get a sail in an OK at the Netley CVRDA Nats, but with a force 5 gusting 6 blowing, it 1) didn't seem like a good idea to borrow a boat and 2) was far too tired from getting the Firefly round the course without swimming. Ah, well, no hurry! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |