The cost of sailing
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Topic: The cost of sailing
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Subject: The cost of sailing
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 4:04pm
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I've just had a read of the article about the cost of each Olympic medal at Athens 2004 for Team GB and was really pleased to see that sailing returns the best value for each medal won:
The full article is on the BBC website at http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/4209061.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/4209061.stm I hate the fact that they are quantifying the cost per medal in the way they have (surely talent comes into it too?) but it is good for sailing. Does this mean we should get more funding for Beijing? |
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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 4:24pm
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It is excellent for sailing. But the notion of chopping back expenditure on sports which didn't get results in the most recent games will in time lead to no funding for any sports - one 'bad games' and a sport is out with no way back. One less sport for the next games, go round the circle a few times and bingo, you've no sports left. Utterly daft! |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 4:45pm
| surely this means sailings money will be left the same if not cut to give money to other sports this is not good news for out sport as olympic campaigns can be s expensive esp tornado ones!!! |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 4:46pm
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Well posted Mark. The RYA has its blind spots, but it's difficult to knock the excellent use of funding and the programs they have put together. Do you tink that we will maintain the momentum? |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 4:59pm
| well we still need to win certain medals ie the tornado so really that needs more money inorder to win that one i know u cant buy medals but it would help!! |
Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 5:26pm
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It still remains one of the most expensive sports to
host at an Olympics, particularly in return for the ridiculously low level of media coverage it is given ------------- regards Dr. Clifford take two tablets twice daily |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 7:11pm
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i think the low media coverige is because the races are so long and dont foget you have to have a copper in the sky to film it and i bet costes loads in petrol money. by the way did anyone see the fotage of the 49ers raceing on bbc extra. that was good
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:07pm
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How about having team racing as an olympic sport? Very fast races (sub 10 min), lots of action, even if the rules are complicated people will understand that one team must finish before the other, so are very TV friendly. I understand that this will probably not happen because it requires countries finding another 6-8 people, but it will only require a small amout of extra investment in a flight or two of 420s or fireflys which will remain the property of the organisors thus saving expence for countries to enter. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:13pm
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not a bad idea mabye you could sail a more exciting boat rather than a 420 maybe something assmetric. that would be quite good tv coverge and very exciting
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:35pm
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Although adding asymmetrics to team racing could make things 'interesting' and it was the I14 fleet that invented the sport. I think that it would remove some of the fun and aggression, the dead run on a team racing course provides some of the closest racing on the course. As with only two sails gybes can be done very quickly and violent luffing is possible. With asymetrics the fleet disperses at the top mark and there is little contact untill the bottom mark. Depending on the size of the entry the whole competition could be done in a day or two, or it could be spread out with a few races a day so that the whole thing could be slotted into TV shedules. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:45pm
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Yes i've heard of people trying to team race in asymetrics- not a good plan!- i think i'd detract form the really close duels. I' say firefly's, ents, national 12's or similar work best. ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:51pm
no offence to people that sail symetrical boats but there less chance of things going wrong in the boat cos you go straight down wind and head for the line insted of gybeing where things go wrong more often there would be tight raceing so that would be good do you think a new symetrical boat might be needed cos they havent come out with a new symatrical boat in long. maybe a 520 maybe or something. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 9:02pm
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Nah is assys theyd all be gybing angles downwind, and theyre would be more chanceof spearation. Don't use spinnys in team racing at all i say. You want to be able to stop completelyand head in every possible angle to disrupt other team, rather than snapping poles/ having to drop kite. ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 9:09pm
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yer but breaking the boat would be part of the fun and more excitting! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 11:16pm
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Why no team racing?
1) Too many competitors when they're trying to reduce the numbers. 2) Too spectator/TV unfriendly because its a mystery what's going on unless you understand the rules. 3) Too much contrary the the olympic ideal of higher further faster - its all about slowing up the othet team not going fast yourself. |
Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 8:14am
really? Are you prepared to inform your insurance company of your views? ------------- regards Dr. Clifford take two tablets twice daily |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:10am
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The most TV friendly aspect of sailing has to be match racing. Much easier for the avrege punter to understand when its 1 on 1 cos someone has to cross the line first. And the boats need to cover each other so you have a small course and plenty of close action |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:52am
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Well we currently have four full time teams in the Tornado and three of these teams contain someone who has been to the games in a Tornado... So with the competition hotting up it should be good for UK Tornado sailing, as whoever goes to the 2008 Olympics is likely to be on the pace! ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 12:59pm
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I think explaining sailing to non-sailing viewers is, in my opinion, very like explaining the decathalon in athletics. I remember watching Daley Thompson winning Gold but coming around ninth in the final event (1500m I think). If commentators can explain this then they can surely explain sailing where the winner doesn't have to win the last race to win the event? Or maybe this is why we see so little of the decathalon now on TV... I totally agree with Jim's comments on Team Racing - the IOC is constantly trying to reduce athlete numbers and this would require 6 athletes per team. As for coverage, on the BBC Interactive service the coverage of the 49er, Tornado & Finn sailing was fantastic |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 4:22pm
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[QUOTE=carshalton fc]no offence to people that sail symetrical boats but there less chance of things going wrong in the boat cos you go straight down wind and head for the line insted of gybeing where things go wrong more often there would be tight raceing so that would be good There is more tight racing in small singlehanders and symss than assys. Also it is a lot easier to gybe an asymertic than a symetric boat (keeping kite up that is), also if the assy crew knows what theyre doing there shouldnt be many gybing incidents. ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 5:27pm
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quote=doctor clifford: Are you prepared to inform your insurance company do you run an insurace company or something cos when do you ever tell the insurance people the truth. anyway if the people filming it payed for the boat for instance would you realy care. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 5:50pm
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i don't think thats quieyt the attitude to have, u break ur boat + make a claim = insurance premium goes up. plus would u purposly break the club boat because its not your own, and u don't pay the insurance, and therefore putting it out of action so nobody else can use it whlst it is been fixed? corect me if i'm wrong but isn't it illegal to lie to insurance companys? ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 5:55pm
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no i wouldnt break a clubs boat on purpose that is bang out of order!!!! so your saying you have never done 40mph in a 30mph zone!!!! that is illegal to and you indanger people's lives!!!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 5:59pm
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Carshalton fc: i can honestly say hand on heart that i have never drove at anything over the speed limit, what ever zone i may have been in, ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 6:04pm
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ok yer. but the point is that people that dont know what sailing is all about and the thrill you get out of it, it would proberly be well boring. its just like the f1 the only bit worth watchin is the start and finish to find out if anyone has crashed and the final result! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 8:55pm
Is that because you are not old enough to drive? And Carshalton fc how many boats have you broken? You seem to have a strange attitude for someone who claims to be a sailing instructor. ------------- 
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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:01pm
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bigwavedave, exactly, i'm 15 ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:02pm
Thought so. -------------
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:02pm
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i have only ever broken one mast and one sini pole!!! the thing is that i am young and i just what a bit of excitment and fun..... ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:06pm
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Thats not much. The way you was going on I thought you were a real boat wrecker. -------------
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 05 at 9:12pm
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yer i supose it isnt. so that is why sailor.jon has never been speeding before! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 29 Jan 05 at 11:17am
If your profile age is correct you can't have an RYA instructor qualification! The problem with insurance is its a pooled risk and therfore we all pay (to a some extent) for people who are careless because the're insured. Excesses are supposed to overcome this but they don't allways work ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 5:14pm
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i've broke 1 laser top section snaped a rudder blade ripped a sail near in half all in one capsize beat that! ------------- |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 5:27pm
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i pitch poled a national 12 in force 9 and smashed my head onto an aluminium bracing bar and put a big crease in it, it later snapped off whilst on a broad reach! Poor boat. ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 5:31pm
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i want to know why theres nobody ever around with a camera whilst these events take place, would be gud to watch, stuarthop: that must have been some capsize ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 6:11pm
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that could be the start of a new topic! worst capsize/colision? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 9:35pm
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or the topic could be called "Biggest Lie" or the equivalent of fishermans tails about the one that got away... Do people really sail in force 9s????? ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: *GM*
Date Posted: 03 Feb 05 at 12:18am
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Bad enough putting a big crease in your head - but to have it snap off.... |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 03 Feb 05 at 8:30am
Eats, leaves and shoots by Lynn Truss should be compulsary reading for everyone on this forum. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 03 Feb 05 at 9:23am
 Wishful thinking Garry
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 03 Feb 05 at 11:37am
who is lynn truss? . ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 03 Feb 05 at 1:20pm
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Satirical author of books about grammer. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |