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Topic: ISAF Event Selection
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Subject: ISAF Event Selection
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 8:38pm

Dear Petitioner
 
Thank you for signing the e-petition to IOC. The response has been amazing, exceeding 6000 signatures in the six months since it was started after the last ISAF Council meeting. To put that in perspective, it compares with 7200 for a really serious issue such as Troops out of Iraq. You have also been invaluable help in persuading first the RYA to take the lead, then Yachting Australia and New Zealand to follow and now a record 15 countries to make formal submissions to ISAF in only 10 days before the March 15th deadline.

UKCRA have in the last few days sent a letter to the IOC which can be found at http://www.asnr29.dsl.pipex.com/IOC_Petition_ISAF.pdf.  The text to the letter is also set out below.

As Councillors gather for the next ISAF meeting this weekend, now is an appropriate time to deliver it to the IOC, with two very specific and doable requests.

 
1.We ask IOC remind ISAF of its 2002 Recommendations to sporting authorities on how to select Events. Our research indicates that ISAF was so used to operating as an old boys club, deciding issues by political deals, that it failed to appreciate its role as guardians of our sport, making decisions on objective strategic grounds, in this case as recommended by IOC. Table 5 on page 38 of our Report best shows how ISAF really operated, starting as a keelboat club as late as 1972, then haphazardly adding Events for every new sailing fashion until IOC said stop. Hopefully the spot-light of public exposure in this age of global communication will persuade enough Councillors to do the decent thing and include us at the May meeting. That is why we are sending copies to all 100+ IOC members. Representatives of our international class associations will also be there to lobby in person for our cause, as will Paul Pascoe, President of our newly formed International Multihull Council, which plans to affiliate with ISAF.

 
2. Should that fail, we ask IOC to extend the 11th Event another round, to give ISAF time to get its act together with a logical strategic plan to execute the IOC Recommendations, as suggested by past ISAF President, Paul Henderson. There are two lines of thought on this. The pragmatic approach led by the RYA is to correct the worst excess i.e. keelboats out - high-performance in. The logical start-afresh approach, represented by the French submission, is 5 x 2 i.e. five disciplines by two sexes (Windsurfing, Single-Handed + Double-Handed Dinghies, Multihull, Keelboat).

 
Even if we have majority support, the two-thirds requirement is a tough hurdle to jump, so there is little point in speculating what are our chances of success in May, but our campaign has been snowballing rapidly, so it is not impossible. In any event, the submission put forward by ISAF's leadership appears so legally dubious that it may be open to challenge before the final opportunity in November, which is the IOC deadline. Firstly no serious legislative body to would put forward a motion to "reaffirm" a decision already made because that would be redundant and secondly the clause to guillotine discussion of the supportive submissions without publication, let alone discussion breaches its own Regulations on the rights of its Members, unless the relevant regulations are themselves first changed, and the Executive has not put that on the May agenda.

 
If you have personal contact with your ISAF Councillor, please email them now, thanking those who are supportive or constructively lobbying those who still need persuasion. While ISAF refuses to publish the list of members who have made submissions, our intelligence suggests that the position is as follows: -

1. Votes in favour of Multihulls at November Meeting followed by Submissions for the May Meeting = UAE, AUT, AUS, DEN, ESP, FRA, GBR, CAY, RUS, SWE

2. Votes in favour of Multihulls at November meeting, without May Submissions = CHN, BRD, IND, JPN, PUR, SIN, VEN, RSA
3. Submissions for May Meeting, with votes against or without votes in November = CAN, HKG, NED, TAN
4. Votes against Multihulls in November / further persuasion helpful = BRA, IRL, ITA, PLN, TUR, USA
 
If you are a citizen of the last group, constructive personal lobbying may help persuade them, because there are indications that some are wavering. Please do so now. They may already be on their way to the meeting, but may nevertheless check their emails. Given that this is in China, the chances of getting through may be enhanced if you do not send any attachments, nor use politically sensitive words.

 
Many thanks
Nick Dewhirst
Chairman
United Kingdom Catamaran Racing Association 




Letter to the IOC:

Jaques Rogge, President
International Olympic Committee
Château de Vidy
1007 Lausanne
Switzerland

Cc: Members of the International Olympic Committee
      ISAF Council Members

7th May 2008

A PETITION CONCERNING THE 2012 SAILING REGATTA

Dear Mr. Rogge

We ask that IOC intervene to ensure that the 2012 Olympic Sailing Regatta include a Multihull Event so that it genuinely presents “the wide range and diversity of sailing” as claimed by ISAF’s President, Goran Petersson.

Multihulls represent a large branch of the sport, accounting for between a tenth and a third of global participation depending on the basis of calculation and have been part of the Regatta continuously since 1976.

However the Commission now requires that the Regatta be reduced from 11 to 10 Events. Last November ISAF chose to do this by eliminating the only Multihull Event, rather than any of the two Keelboat, two Windsurf or six Dinghy Events.

As explained in our Report, it appears that ISAF did so because multihulls are politically weakest, not least representative, least telegenic or least suitable for the Olympics. In the view of your former colleague and previous ISAF President, Paul Henderson, “The most interesting observation is to see how many MNA's are now saying that their delegates were instructed to vote in the best interest of their specific country winning medals - not in the best interest of our beloved sport. Surprise! Surprise! Holier than thou pontifications are quite hollow methinks.”

In doing so, we believe that Councillors did not vote in the “interests of the sport of yachting throughout the world” as required by Article 41 of the ISAF Constitution, because your 2002 Review of the Olympic Programme provided recommendations on how to interpret this (See Appendix 3).

In general, you recommended that “weight category events should not be allowed, except for the combat sports and for weightlifting”, yet ISAF proposes an Event for 1 Person Dinghy (Heavyweight) and against “similar events” yet ISAF proposes four Dinghy Events for Men.

Specifically you criticised sailing for “low broadcast and spectator appeal”. Your subsequent 2005 Report noted that ISAF had taken steps to increase the appeal of the sport by “introducing faster and more spectacular boats”, yet now it has taken a step backwards by completely excluding the fastest boats of all, namely Multihulls (See Appendix 3).

In addition you also provided guidance on encouraging participation by Women, yet ISAF is increasing its preponderance of Events for Men, by eliminating the only remaining Open Event, which is Multihulls. 

You then also noted that “the Keelboat class are very expensive boats …. for general practice and development compared to other classes” and wrote that “if the Executive Board recommends the reduction in the number of athletes and events, the Commission believes these reductions could be made through the exclusion of keelboat sailing events”. Yet ISAF disputed this unambiguous advice.

The leadership of ISAF continues to dispute your recommendations, despite: -

                An appeal from the Royal Yachting Association on behalf of the host nation
                The recommendation of ISAF’s own expert Events Committee
                The independent opinion of the previous ISAF President   
                Formal submissions from fifteen of its Member National Authorities
                Unanimous public opinion polls by different yachting journals and websites

 Now it proposes a guillotine motion to its Council, which meets on 10-11th May, in order to stop further discussion and “reaffirm” its decision to oppose your guidelines, even though members have the right to place submissions on the agenda for its Annual Meeting in November.

 According to a letter of 11th December 2007 to Council members by the outgoing Secretary-General, Arve Sundheim “At the Council meeting on 9 November and prior to making the decision on the ten events for the 2012 Olympic Programme, the ISAF President was explicitly asked by a Council member if there was any IOC guidance which may affect the choice of events. The ISAF President responded that the IOC guidance was to achieve universality, nation participation, medal spread and media appeal. Be assured that if there had been any specific IOC guidance which was new to the table, you would all have been advised in advance”.

We therefore ask that

                As its President did not do so, you remind ISAF Councillors of your specific long-standing guidance, published in August 2002 and May 2005.

                Should Council still exclude any Multihull Event, you postpone the reduction of Events one more time, on the basis that Multihulls would deserve to be included in the Games based on these criteria of “universality, nation participation, medal spread and media appeal”. (Appendix 2 shows what the multihull community achieves independently without ISAF support.)

You have significant influence over ISAF because it has a “very high reliance on Olympic revenues (65%) and a low percentage of its income comes from marketing and broadcasting (10%)” according to your 2005 Report. In the interests of the Olympic Spirit, please use it.

On behalf of 6000+ petitioners from more than 60 countries, including numerous ISAF sailors of the Year, Olympic medallists and other sailing champions, key organisers of our sport, influential media figures and leaders in the yachting industry (See Appendix 1).

Yours sincerely,

 

Nick Dewhirst
Chairman




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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 4:15pm
ISAF just voted not to reaffrim the November decision, meaning they accept the decision in November was wrong.

After not reaffirming they voted on whether or not to open the Men's & then the Women's Events but neither got the required 2/3rd's vote required.

Men: 21 Yes, 17 No.
Women: 21 No, 16 Yes.

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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 4:24pm

I thought this might happen...

So what they've decided is that they've made the wrong decision but they're going to stick with it.

Great... nice to know the system works



Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 5:13pm
To misuse a boxing term, multihulls may be out, but not down! 
  

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 5:13pm
I think if there was an obvious better slate they would have gone for it, but the trouble is you can make just as good a case to keep every other event as you can for the multihull.


Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 7:32pm

Jim without going over old ground thats bullsh*te. You know it,i know it, looks like isaf know it aswell.

so where dose that leave us?

as far as i can see a poorer games in 2012 and a govening body that dosent know its arse from its elbow. It makes me feel sick that my subscription contrubutions go towards funding this bunch of t**sers. 



Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 9:32pm
OK mate, so what was this obvious better slate? I say there wasn't one, and I've certainly seen no consensus on the net as to what one might be. I say ISAF were between a rock and a hard place, that there was no good choice open to them in the circumstances, and that they may well have got it right.

As for the delegates' anatomical knowledge and solitary nocturnal entertainments, I'm happy to say that my ignorance of their capabilities is absolute, so I can't comment.


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 9:36pm
The equipment committee voted for the removal of keelboats.

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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 9:55pm
is that as an entirity. so skud 18 star yling and what ever the match racing boat is

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 May 08 at 3:29am
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

The equipment committee voted for the removal of keelboats.

And I say that probably would have led to the loss of sailing in the Paralympics in the long term, and also disenfranchised even more people than losing the multihull. Therefore it was not obviously a better alternative. You might not agree with the relative merit I put on the two, but surely you at least recognise the argument has legs.
18 months ago, BTW, I would have agreed with you and said why on earth have we got old slow boats for old slow sailors in the games. If you do a really thorough google session you can probably find forum posts where I say as much...


Posted By: Stuart O
Date Posted: 11 May 08 at 7:46pm
But have you seen what the General Sec Jerome Pels has said...Keelboats are as exciting a spectacle to watch as skiffs and multihulls...Funny contradiction to the IOC survey!!!


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 May 08 at 8:14pm
Well, if you hold to the school of thought that says close boat to boat tactics, multiple overlaps at mark roundings, what gets called tactical racing is as exciting as raw speed then you probably would think keelboats are more exciting than multihulls.

And face it, boats aren't fast in real terms. The wheelchair marathon record is about 15knots. There aren't many sailboats that could equal that round a normal course in most conditions. You say to a motor sport enthusiast that a Cat is more exciting that a leadmine because it does 20mph instead of 10mph and he'll say "big b***** deal..."


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 10:06am
From ISAF SAILORS:

It was frustrating not being able to speak out directly in the Council Meeting as I left feeling there was more to say in the debate but a lot of the sailors’ views were voiced through certain Council Members. Some Council Members gave very good reasoning behind supporting a reopening of the vote. Others explained how policies tied their hands or expressed fears of greater upset being caused by re-voting. There where some real heroes in the room who stood up against their committees’ wishes (of self interest) to do the best for the sport as a director of ISAF.


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Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 10:18am

I think now the final decision has been reached its time to stop debating/complaining now before the achievements of the people who's disciplines were chosen, are tarnished with grudges held by those who unfortunatly were not given a chance to compete.

I am not saying its easy to swallow, having your event thrown out, I am completly impartial here, but as the ISAF President said himself - no event is in or out the Olympic Games forever. If you want something really bad, you can find another way of achieving it - thats probably what the women skiff sailors will do - they'll sail a radial, a 470 or a match racing boat. There is a 60:40 split between men's and women's now.

Controversial comments I know, however, we now have to look forward to potentially the best regatta ever sailed on British waters. It will be historic.



Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 10:22am
From ISAF SAILORS:

All is not lost for Olympic Multihull sailing as there is support to get the Event back in to the Olympic program for 2016. I advise all Multihull sailors to focus their energy and efforts towards lobbying to get the Multihull Event secured for the 2016 Olympic Games.

Encourage your MNA (Member National Authority) and Class Associations to put in submissions for the November 2008 ISAF Annual Meeting, requesting this be decided already in 2009. Efforts should also go towards continuing the Multihull’s participation in the Volvo Youth Sailing ISAF World Championships. The same is true for the Women’s High-Performance Dinghy Event.




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Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 1:28pm
Thats exactly right - the best attitude - I bet it seems far away now, but time will fly.


Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 1:56pm

kanga it might be the best regatta sailed on british water but the point is it could have been better. however you are right there is no point moaning and moaning about it, you just have to accept a crap decision by a useless organisation and move on.

 



Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 2:12pm
well i think we need to focus more now on british achievement - its only a matter of opinion if it is the wrong decision or not, one discipline had to go and whichever one it was, there was always going to be ths argument. the event will be remembered for all the wrong reasons if we are not careful now.


Posted By: Dermot M
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 2:15pm

Once again, the Irish had to be vocal

Others who spoke were: John Crebbin (IRL) who was strongly against; Theresa Zabell (alternate for ESP) who did not agree with the November decision but did not agree with changing a decision; Harry Adler (BRA) also strongly against, and TP Low (SIN).



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Posted By: Catsrule
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by kanga

I am not saying its easy to swallow, having your event thrown out, I am completly impartial here, but as the ISAF President said himself - no event is in or out the Olympic Games forever. If you want something really bad, you can find another way of achieving it - thats probably what the women skiff sailors will do - they'll sail a radial, a 470 or a match racing boat. There is a 60:40 split between men's and women's now.

Controversial comments I know, however, we now have to look forward to potentially the best regatta ever sailed on British waters. It will be historic.

Sadly Kanga it is not that easy just jump out of the multihull and start dinghy sailing. Cat sailing is my life, its my passion, my dream is to go to the olympics, in a cat, not in a dinghy, i love the thrill of powering downwind, kite up, flying a hull crew on the wire, it wouldn't be the same on a dinghy. I'm determined to get to the olympics in a cat.

Yes the 2012 olympics will be good but they could be a hell of alot better  



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Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 4:46pm

Yes for sure Catsrule, and I am sure a lot of people who potentially could've missed out would have the same view about their discipline.

'A hell of a lot better' is a matter of opinion.



Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 6:43pm

kanga i think you have missed the point slightly one discipline has been dropped but it didnt have to. The ioc needed one less event/class not discipline theres a big difference.

 I agree with with catsrule, 2012 could have been a hell of a lot better.

I thought the whole point of the olympics was to attract people to take part in sport so what do they do take out one of the most exciting boats/discipline there is and leave in some of the dullest. If any one thinks that will attract people to start sailing then they must be as stupid as the muppets that run isaf.



Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 9:56pm

well which class could have been dropped without a discipline? the only answer to that is men's single hander, since there are two - lightweight and heavyweight.................hmmm. i think debating is no longer going to resolve anything, but now as sport, we need to focus on making 2012 as good as it can be, so in 2016 we get a larger quota of athletes again. we need media, worldwide participation and interest, and positive response from the publc now.



Posted By: redhotchilicat
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 8:11am
It's all enough to make me want to take up knitting.....at least the ISAF muppets aren't in charge of that!
I 'm not sure what erks me the most,  the decision itself or the  mismanagement  by such a flawed organisation which blindly led us to where we now find ourselves. Knit one ,pearl one, bu**er dropped another one.


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Posted By: redhotchilicat
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 8:23am

Bo**ocks!

I'm erked again already, since the site wasn't playing the other week my number of posts has gone down to the 60s from the 90s if I was a cyber geek that sort of thing could really upset me! I'm going to blame ISAF!

Back to bed .....can't bare to face the day now



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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:19am
LOL It's not the quantity, you know.... It's the quality that counts!

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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:41am
Originally posted by kanga

well which class could have been dropped without a discipline? the only answer to that is men's single hander, since there are two - lightweight and heavyweight.................hmmm.

The problem is an entire discipline was kicked out of the Olypmics. 

single handed / double handed / heavy weight and high performance are all sub-catagories to the monohull discipline.

Cats also have simular sub-catagories.

Disciplines should be......

Monohull

Multihull

Keelboat

Sail Board.

And should not be negotiable.  Sub-catagories could be added later to fill quota or increase Athlete quota between disciplines.



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE

Originally posted by kanga

well which class could have been dropped without a discipline? the only answer to that is men's single hander, since there are two - lightweight and heavyweight.................hmmm.

The problem is an entire discipline was kicked out of the Olypmics. 

single handed / double handed / heavy weight and high performance are all sub-catagories to the monohull discipline.

Cats also have simular sub-catagories.

Disciplines should be......

Monohull

Multihull

Keelboat

Sail Board.

And should not be negotiable.  Sub-catagories could be added later to fill quota or increase Athlete quota between disciplines.


Agreed



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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:01pm
If you divided Monohull into single and double handed then you have 5 classes, times 2 (have Men and Womens catagory) you have your ten classes.... magic, problem solved!

The ISAF Sailors do not seem to be listened to, they can not vote and were not even allowed to speak before the secret ballot, to me things seems very wrong.


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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:15pm

Originally posted by Jon Emmett


The ISAF Sailors do not seem to be listened to, they can not vote and were not even allowed to speak before the secret ballot, to me things seems very wrong.

yep, we (generally) have people who no longer sail, controlloing what classes we might sail at the ollies....



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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:25pm

From Sail Juice

http://sailjuiceblog.com/2008/05/10/when-will-the-sailors-be-heard/ - http://sailjuiceblog.com/2008/05/10/when-will-the-sailors-be -heard/

British Laser Radial sailor Laura Baldwin attended the meeting representing the Athletes Commission but wasn’t allowed to stand up and speak on behalf of the competing athletes in the Council Meeting. “It was disappointing not being able to make the case for competeing athletes” said Baldwin. So why wasn’t she allowed to speak? “ISAF is very shaken by the level of personal attacks that individuals have come under over the past few months, and they didn’t want to put me in a similar situation.”

Personal attack or not, Baldwin still would have liked her chance to speak. “I spoke to many Committee Members and really felt I was getting the athletes’ point across. What I think is being missed here is how these decisions have such a massive impact on sailors’ lives. The problem with the multihull being thrown out of the Games is that the skills to multihull sailing are so unique, it’s not going to be that easy for people to step cross into other Events and continue their careers. My fear is we’re going to lose a lot of these sailors from Olympic sailing.”

At the moment the athletes are just pawns in the game. ISAF did the right thing by creating an Athletes’ Commission. However at the moment it is a toothless organisation. To have Baldwin there at the meeting, and not allow her to speak when clearly she wanted to (threats of personal abuse or no), is patronising in the extreme



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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:39pm

cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

 



Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by oz man

cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

Yeah some people get confused about events & equipment ...

I think most mono sailors are sad to see the cat lose it's spot but it's gone now.

I wonder if they can shoehorn some multi equipment into one of the selected events.

Did we ever work out if a dinghy can have more than one hull?



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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:28pm
like the idea rick prehaps mens single handed dinghy could be an aclass cat widely sailed across the globe, somehow i doubt isaf or the ioc would have the balls though.


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 9:18pm
I was more thinging a high-performance double hander could be a cat; F18 type thingy ...

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Posted By: oz man
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 9:40pm
either way its never going to happen


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:24pm

true ...



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Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 10:24am

ISAF ruled out multi hulls in any of their classes, as seen on the isaf website:

http://www.sailing.org/23280.php?PHPSESSID=feec32183e02b3d9aeef6f5239f6aa0d - http://www.sailing.org/23280.php?PHPSESSID=feec32183e02b3d9a eef6f5239f6aa0d

"Deliberations then returned to the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition ( http://www.sailing.org/23276.php - click here to read the report from Saturday on the Council's decision on the Olympic events ). The ISAF Regulations require Council to make a list of equipment for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition at this meeting. It is from this list that in November 2008 Council will select the equipment for the 2012 Games. The regulations require that the list shall include all equipment proposed through a valid submission, whether or not there is an event on the programme suitable for the equipment proposed. Having reaffirmed at Saturday's opening meeting that the multihull would not be on the programme for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition, Council wished to ensure this requirement to make a list was not misleading in the context of the multihull event. Therefore, whilst submissions were received proposing multihull equipment for the dinghy events and multihull equipment is included on the following list, Council added the proviso that 'the selection of equipment for dinghy events for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition will not be open to multihulls*'. "

The equipment list is:

 29er XX  International Moth
 470   Laser
 49er  Laser Radial
 Byte CII  Laser SB3 (M)
 Capricorn*  Musto Performance Skiff
 Europe  Nacra F18*
 F18*  RS: X
 Formula One Design  Sonar
 Finn  Star
 Hobie Tiger*  Tornado*
 J/22  Ultimate 20
 J/24  Yngling
 J/80



Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by kanga

Therefore, whilst submissions were received proposing multihull equipment for the dinghy events and multihull equipment is included on the following list, Council added the proviso that 'the selection of equipment for dinghy events for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition will not be open to multihulls



That sounds very much like a discrimination case, especially following the recent Americas cup antics!


Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 1:47pm
I know, although i guess ruling out an entire multi hull category would make a mockery of the equipment selection - very good spot of the loophole by isaf but not great for those hopes of many!


Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 4:10pm
On my second read, I noticed one submission for a Formula One Design.  At first I thought it was a bit rich allowing cars into the fray, but realised quickly that it must be some sort of boat.

I have done a quick google search and only come up with sites about cars.  Does anyone know what it is?


Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 4:39pm
nope - beats me, be a car - ISAF are more bonkers than i first thought!


Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 4:55pm
Think its a windsurfer...


Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 10:56am
Yep....  Formula boards

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