Fitness
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Topic: Fitness
Posted By: fizzicist
Subject: Fitness
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 10:04am
Asides from plenty of carbs (beer) and and balanced diet (Curry and beer), I resolved to ensure that come the beginning of this season I would have gotten myself into shape.
Does anyone know of any training regimes that have been developed for dinghy sailing or can anyone suggest the most suitable balance of wieghts/aerobic excercise and what types of aerobic training are best (bikes, runnign etc)
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 11:54am
Personally I'd say the best training programme is whatever you can actually sustain beyond the initial burst of enthusiasm. In my case, it is cycling or running with my dogs in the woods. Gyms are just so boring. The only trouble with cycling is that it makes you very inflexible unless you also stretch.
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Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 3:52pm
The best thing is to go rowing but if not possible then go on the rowing machine at the gym for about an hour averaging about 150 watts depend on age and fitness. But it can be boring so brong an mp3 player or something.
Running and cycling are also really good but do not give as full a workout as rowing which would exercise alot more muscles and tone the body better.
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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 4:22pm
i just do alot of tennis and ages on the hiking bench and that seems to keep me in shape (but i don't have the extra 'carbs?' in beer to burn off!)
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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 4:58pm
hiking bench, rowing machine (whilst watching tv!!!), and the usual sit-ups/pressups. and running in the summer seem to work for me!
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 5:04pm
How do you lot all have Hiking Benches????
I want one!!!
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Posted By: Adam84
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 5:32pm
For aerobic exercise I would recommend swimming it uses a good variety of muscle groups.
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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:01pm
You build one waverider. yeh i do situps and press ups, pull ups is a good one too. Don't lift weights if you're still growing, can stunt your growth.
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:02pm
o rite
How the hell do you make one and what do they look like??
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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:12pm
use wood and nails! lol, just make a frame and a bench bit to sit on, then attach hiking straps and hike away! lol umm, i can't really descirbe how to make one! sorry!!
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Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:28pm
instead of a hiking bench you can use a gym ball and a pull up bar. You set it up so when you are hiking the pull up bar and ball are the about the same as when you are sailing your boat - as in the difference between the top of ball and bar. It works very well because it also helps with core stability.
I have don't do it because I find that the rowing machine and core stability exercises works very well with me. It veries hughly on the type of boat you sail, if your a 49er crew then you should be doing at least 6 hours aerobic training a week but if you sail a topper or laser then you can do alot less because you don't tend to come of the water out of breath!
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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:28pm
meausre it up to your boats dimensions and construct, its not very difficult. I sned you a pic on msn.
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Posted By: *GM*
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 7:00pm
Fitness? Training? Hiking benches? Ye gods, I feel a Rule 2 protest coming on...
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 8:34pm
This thread is making me feel rather dizzy. I'm off to the pub.
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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 9:10pm
I know I should do more exercise - my sailing would improve no end. I've sailed a 49er a couple of times. They require good agility and strength - after 20 minutes I'm knackered (well certainly when crewing).
I told my fit 20 year old son about this, he said,"agility and strength - they call that athleticism - that's something you haven't got".
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 5:14am
Hiking bench:
Go to an apple farm and acquire a proper apple box (1/4" thick wood not the namby pamby 1/8" rubbish from the fruit stalls).
Put the box upside down on the floor.
Nail a 6 ft length of 4 x 2 to each short side to stop if falling over.
Screw some toe strap material to the 4 x 2's at a suitable distance away from the box to match you boat.
Put 1/2" foam padding on the top to make it comfy.
Install infront of tele where it will annoy anybody else who lives in the house.
If you are really keen, fix up a rope on each side attached to some bungy cord to pretend to play mainsheets with...
And if you are a computer genius, hook it all up to the latest version of Sailing Simulator so you can even pretend to sail at the same time...
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Posted By: terraslazer
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 7:42am
hey
This is my first post! Does anyone kno if and where you can buy a hiking bench because to be honest i dont have the time n effort to make one. thanx for da help!!!
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 9:10am
Originally posted by fizzicist
Asides from plenty of carbs (beer) and and balanced diet (Curry and beer), I resolved to ensure that come the beginning of this season I would have gotten myself into shape.
Does anyone know of any training regimes that have been developed for dinghy sailing or can anyone suggest the most suitable balance of wieghts/aerobic excercise and what types of aerobic training are best (bikes, runnign etc)
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As any skiff or cat sailor can tell you, the training regime of champions is a quick sprint up to the bar after you de rig. Then work on your upper body lifting those schooner glasses. Later in the night you should finish up working those abbs whilst your hear is in the bowl
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 10:49am
Head in a bowl Stephen? Once again proving that Aussies can't handle their drink!!
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE
Later in the night you should finish up working those abbs whilst your hear is in the bowl |
How charming.
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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 7:41pm
Yacking works the stomach muscles too!
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 21 Jan 05 at 5:50am
Originally posted by Phil eltringham
Head in a bowl Stephen? Once again proving that Aussies can't handle their drink!! |
Mate.... Us Aussies CAN handle our drink. You just have to make room for more and you can only pee so quick .
Anyway of to a cocktail crawl in Newtown (Sydney)
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Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 12 Feb 05 at 5:26pm
Back to the original topic of fitness.
We are trying to get a bit less lardy for the sailing season and were thinking about setting up a 'trapezing bench' in the garden. The idea is that it would be simillar to a hiking bench in that we could do a few minutes each day, teaching our cerebellums where the kickbars and gunwhale are, and how much to duck to get under the boom on the tacks and gybes.
We were going to put down four wooden planks at the right distance apart, fix a hook to the balcony for the trapeze wires and put up one horizontal bar at boom height.
Has anyone seen or used anything like this? Any suggestions about alternatives to digging up the garden?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Feb 05 at 6:20am
Originally posted by Lucy Lee
Back to the original topic of fitness. |
I was having a related discussion with a lady who sails 14s and we both agreed that (both being significantly more mature than you are Lucy) that its the kite hoists and drops that really take us out. Might be worth rigging up a sack of sand on a pulley to pull up the back of the house too.
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Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 13 Feb 05 at 9:34pm
Hmm. I have brand new ultra grippy gloves which means that even with our tired old kite the hoits and drops don't seem too bad. It was more the problem of co-ordinating the two trapeze artists getting from one side of the boat to the other without hestitation, deviation or swimming!
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Posted By: big man
Date Posted: 14 Feb 05 at 1:43am
i do alot of swimming. at uni i can do it for free so really i got it made it works evry muscle group and its non-weight bearing. otherwise i spend as uch time training out on the water as i can. 
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 14 Feb 05 at 9:29pm
i cycle to college every day 8 1/2 miles each way to help me keep fit
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 15 Feb 05 at 10:43am
Tell you what Stephen. I'll be in Oz next january, we should hook up so I can drink you under the table. 
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 15 Feb 05 at 11:07am
Sounds like a plan...... But watch out, that's regatta time and when sailors reach their annual peek
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Posted By: Gael
Date Posted: 15 Feb 05 at 2:09pm
By the way, Y&Y's Fitness ciolumnist Matt Scott can be seen in Channel 4's
10 Years Younger' programme at 2030 tomorrow night — hence he has
been a bit tied up and we haven't run the column for a couple of issues.
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Posted By: Twin Poles
Date Posted: 16 Feb 05 at 3:23pm
Whilst flicking through (dare i say it)....dinghy sailing magazine i noticed there was a um....blonde female in the pictures of their fitness section, so might i suggest you do something similar Geal.
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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 16 Feb 05 at 6:57pm
lol can u get a good looking guy to do it please!!
hehehe (oh god, oli please don't read that!)
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Posted By: big man
Date Posted: 16 Feb 05 at 10:59pm
sailor girl why dont you get oli to do it???
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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 17 Feb 05 at 5:02pm
cos he's all mine!!!! and i don't want other girls drooling over him!
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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 7:47am
The girl in the pictures is Kate Fairclough, who was one of the crews of the winning team (Wessex Exiles) at the Wessex Winter Warmer.
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 7:57am
Wow nice avatar Jon is that you ?
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 9:15am
not the greatest wave technique there! 
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by stuarthop
not the greatest wave technique there!  |
It's hard to see from a jerky image but there seems to be lots of body
torque there, boat bearing away hard to keep the notoriously flat bow
sections in the water rather than slamming, angle of heel about right
and steady. No problems.
And you have how many Laser "cubes" in your trophy cabinet?
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 12:16pm
i was in the welsh national laser squad for 3 years and i'm very good at wave sailing
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 2:14pm
Oh well, I can't open the UK Laser archives so I don't know where being
in the Welsh squad puts you and what "very good" means. Now I've gone
to Jon Emmett's site and seen a longer and larger version of the clip
it's obvious the guy is not sailing perfectly, but he seems OK.
That part of Laser sailing -heavy air upwind - is the part I'm not
looking forward to getting back into. It was my forte but that was when
I was fitter. I wonder if they'll notice if I put the International
Canoe sliding seat on the Laser for heavy air races?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by Chris 249
I wonder if they'll notice if I put the International
Canoe sliding seat on the Laser for heavy air races?
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Perhaps some special hiking pants that have battens that hook under the toestrap and one end and you sit on at the other...
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Posted By: Twin Poles
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 4:18pm
Having full leg length battens....um, might make taking (and gybing) rather more difficult though
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 9:28pm
could be interesting. lol 
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by JimC
Originally posted by Chris 249
I wonder if they'll notice if I put the International
Canoe sliding seat on the Laser for heavy air races?�
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Perhaps some special hiking pants that have battens that hook under
the toestrap and one end and you sit on at the other... |
When my brother was Laser sailing he was fast enough to make the Open
big-rig worlds at 19 and win the open big-rig Districts against the
guys who were 3rd and 1st in the world at 18, but because he was young
he didn't have their hiking power. So he sketched up a special set of
hiking pants. You didn't hook them under the footstrap (that would be
an outrigger and therefore too naughty), instead they had battens that
went all the way down the foot, and up to the bum. There were, of
course, hinges and a little lever that was meant to lock the hinges
when you had finished your tack and wanted to lean back and relax.
It never went further than some fairly serious-looking sketches. After
the worlds he decided he'd done enough Lasering. And it would be banned
quick smart, but it's still something I dream of upwind in the Laser.
The idea was that you could hit the lever before a tack and the hinges wo
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Feb 05 at 10:25pm
ohh how much easier life would be
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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 8:32am
I think if you sail a laser either get fit or put up with the pain.
So stop whinging or get a boat that is supposed to have a hiking aid like a trapeze or a sliding seat!!!!
Do not try and cheat by sliding hinged planks of wood down your trousers.
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 9:11am
I was fit, I was fast, I do have a boat with a trap and one with a
sliding seat, and it was a bit of whimsical invention we used to throw
around, that's all.
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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 5:50pm
Isn't Jon inland champion etc.? You may be good Stu but i reckon Jon knows what he's doing
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 7:19pm
ye jon is a good sailor very fast but that bit of wave sailing wasnt too good
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 9:42pm
What in particular offends you about it? There's not a lot of steering
aroound the waves going on, but the waves are coming straight at
him and not straight downwind. Sometimes it seems that when you're
going straight into the waves (rather than the usual 45 degrees)
there's no hope of steering into the normal soft landing so any
steering is simply causing drag.
If that IS Jon in the clip I'd have to agree that the standard of that
bit of sailing is not up to Olympic level (I was lucky in that I did
Lasers in Sydney pre 2000 when you could train against EVERYONE and
watch them), but he looks a bit tired and it's not bad "end of the day"
sailing.
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Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 10:00pm
if you crew a Star - the hiking pants really only need to be hiking socks - below the knees only!
pic from the Y&Y Star Worlds report.
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 10:03pm
he should be footing off to avoid waves like that because they can dramatically reduce your boat speed,
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 19 Feb 05 at 10:05pm
star hiking doesn't look very comfortable 
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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 12:14pm
Stuart, footing off in a star does not work, firstly because, unlike a skiff a keel boat on a fetch goes no faster than on a beat (does not plane), it just heels more and introduces more weather helm (slow from rudder drag and also worse VMG). secondly the hull is designed to cut through waves when heeled (hard chine all the way forward to the bow and high on the stem)
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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 12:22pm
I reckon Ian Percy knows what he's doing.
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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 8:12pm
Yep the video clip is of me Laser sailing, it is funny but the camera always makes it seem less breezy than it is. Footage was taken on the Isle of Wight in 35 knots plus, as recorded by the met buoy, they cancelled my ferry back to the main land because it was so windy
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by Harry44981!
I reckon Ian Percy knows what he's doing. |
I have loads of respect for Iain Percy but could not resist this
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 10:11pm
"he should be footing off to avoid waves like that because they can dramatically reduce your boat speed,"
was tlking about jons laser clip not the star
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 12:22am
Originally posted by stuarthop
star hiking doesn't look very comfortable  |
Look closely - the crew has a lovely harness on so he is basically hanging back in an armchair ride...sounds more comfortable to me that laser sailing...
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 12:31am
Originally posted by stuarthop
"he should be footing off to avoid waves like that because they can dramatically reduce your boat speed,"
was tlking about jons laser clip not the star |
He's already footing quite low according to his sheet position.
How does the line-up of Cubes in your trophy cabinet compare to his? If
you are not faster, how can you know so much more than Jon does?
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 10:30am
Originally posted by bigwavedave

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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 12:52pm
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 5:53pm
sorry stuart, my mistake
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 6:07pm
every one makes them some times
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