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Topic: Security/safety measures
Posted By: Jaycb
Subject: Security/safety measures
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 12:45pm

I'm about to purchase a Dart 15 catamaran and hope to keep it at a nearby sailing club.  I've got a couple of concerns though.  The boat has a launching trolley plus trailer and ideally I'd store the road trailer at home and just keep the trolley at the club site, but I can't as I've nowhere to put it.  So, I've got to leave the trailer/trolley/boat all together at the club, and this is what worries me; firstly I can't help thinking that it'll make a convenient little easy-to-nick package should theives target the club (i think it has a locked gate but I'd rather not rely on that alone) and secondly I can't help worrying that if we had any serious wind there might be a risk of the whole lot blowing over or into someone elses boat. 

So, does anyone have any  suggestions on how to make things secure and safe?  I was wondering about getting some heavy duty stakes to tie things down to and maybe a wheel-clamp.  Alternatively, someone suggested I remove the road wheels/electrics from the trailer and keep them in the boot of the car or my back yard. 

Any advice gratefully received. 

Cheers.



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Posted By: Adam.s
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:19pm
Firstly i would check with the club whether or not they will allow you to keep the trailor under your boat, as i no some don't. Also the club may have a trailor compound ? If you do decide to store it with your boat i would say remove the wheels and you can buy devices that go in the toe ball hole on the trailer, which lock in and prevent the trailer being hitched. As for the boat being blown over i would say there is less chance of this happening if the boat is on the trailer as they are very heavy, and even less chance if you remove the wheels as it puts the boat closer to the ground.

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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:42pm
surely there's no electrics permanent on the trailer? Try and see if you can convert the tow hitch to be removable, or fit a lock to that. Many clubs insist on this if you're keeping the road trailer in the dinghy park- after all, your boat may well not be the most valuable!

If the club allows it, and the ground is suitable, I'd advise creating secure tie down points either side of your boat. Especially with a cat- you need to tie that thing down. It's less to protect your own boat- more to protect the ones next to you, as you say. Try getting a length of heavy chain, and bury most of it as deep as you can, it's what we use. If you can't dig, I'd go with breeze blocks rather than stakes. Make sure you get old style ones rather than the fancy new enviromentally friendly ones which are a third of the density...


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:42pm

1, tie the boat down to at least two secure tiedown points.   

2, what do other owners do?  I’ve a lock on my trailer that makes it impossible to take away.

3, As for the trolley, if you are really worried about it.  Get some old rigging wire with a look in each end (chandler can do this) and then thread the wire thru the tie down eye, around / thru the trolley and then padlock together.

 



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Posted By: iwsmithuk
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 2:23pm

Dog tethers make good tie down points if your boat is parked on earth/grass.

They are a steel corkscrew about 18" long with an eye at the top. Designed to be screwed into the ground to tie the mutts lead to when camping/picnicking etc. One either side of the boat with a rope over the top of the boat is really very secure.

You can get them for a few pounds in most high st pet shops.

 



Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

makes it impossible to take away.

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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 8:36pm

Make sure you can tie it down, If the club doesn't have a wire and you can't use dog tethers then a piece of pipe, bit of old shroud, brick and concrete in a bucket works well, you need 3 one for the bow and one on each side.  You can then tie the boat to the weights you've made.

Remove the trailer wheels - this stops them perishing because of UV & static weight, and also harder to steal.

Finally padlock the lot to something solid  with a decent bike chain to make it difficult to move.

Araldite all shackles that are removed infrequently to stop them being borrowed without pliers and hide the others either under the cover or for halyards hoist to the top of the mast (tie the end of the halyard to them so you can get them down again). 



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 9:13pm
We had a big double stacker at uni probably worth a grand or so... untill one day we went to the club and someone had dismantled it and just left the wheels and trailer mechanism etc. Apparently 'scrap' is highly sought after! Cheeky buggers

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Posted By: Jaycb
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 11:00am
I've just seen those dog-tether things on the 'net - are they really strong enough?  They look a liitle flimsy in the photos.  Has anyone apart from IWSmithUK used them?

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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 3:18pm

I used a pair of caravan awning  tie down stake successfully (Angled piece of metal about 18 inchs long.

Dog stake should be fine as long as its one for a large dog



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Lark 2252, Contender 298

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 9:30pm
we have a guy at the club who welds up custom ones for us. They are basically a thick piece of steel rod with a loop on the thend (about 18 inches long). just tie a rope/wire loop off them and hammer them in, they never come out unintentionally.

It is what has held my last 4 boats down through all weathers!

Another tip....be a good neighbour and make sure the boats either side are also tied down so they dont fall on yours and damage it.

Paul


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Posted By: Wes
Date Posted: 06 Jan 08 at 11:17pm

Hi Jaycb, coming over to the dark side with us?

I've used those dog tie downs (for want of a better phrase!) for tying down gliders at the club. My glider (25m wing span, 500kg) was held down by 6, it was fine while the one next to it was picked up and thrown into a tree during a storm. The one that was wrecked was held by 5 gallon barrells of water over each wing and 2 on the tail so it gives you an idea of the strain they'll take. Dinghies don't seem to go walk about too much. Everyone at my club keeps them on the road bases. We all tie down to steel cables securley anchered and then lock to the same cable. In all fairness if someone want's to half inch your boat, they can. There is nothing you can do to stop them. Make it more difficult by locking it to something or disabling the wheels, make it more difficult to steal then the one it's parked next too....

Wes



Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 Jan 08 at 11:28pm
I just have the worlds worst paint job...

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Posted By: Jaycb
Date Posted: 07 Jan 08 at 8:37am

Hi Wes,

Not really going down the dark path yet... windsurfing's still my first love but the catamaran is for light-wind summer days and for GF (that's girlfriend by the way, not GraemeF  ) to potter about on and build her confidence. 

The glider example makes a very strong case for those dog tethers.  If I see any at the Boat Show I'll certainly get a few. 

Since starting the thread I've identified a site to keep the boat temporarily - they have two concrete posts on each berth, one each side.  I'll probably use rope to tie down one end to these, plus a locked chain around the trailer, and a couple of dog tethers at the other end. 

Thanks everyone for your advice



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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 07 Jan 08 at 9:31am
At HISC lots of people (including me) tie the bow down to a housebrick: if you bury it about 18" down, it's rock solid, even in sand! It's got my various boats through the last 4 winters. I found one with holes in, so you can tie the rope round it securely, and that then goes up to the front of the trolley.

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