barriers to racing
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Topic: barriers to racing
Posted By: Garry
Subject: barriers to racing
Date Posted: 01 Jan 05 at 9:17pm
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Could you spare 30 seconds to complete the questionnaire at the following site
http://sailing.fireclaw.org/ - http://sailing.fireclaw.org/ I am particularly interested in what would encourage newcomers to dinghy sailing getting involved in racing, while accepting that not everyone wants to race for all sorts of reasons, many clubs' sailing tends to revolve around the race series. If I get anything meaningful I will publish the results on the web so others can benefit from the information. Thanks Garry ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 22 Jan 05 at 12:24pm
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I've had 40 responses. A short report with some graphs are available at http://www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk/questionnairereport20050122.doc - Questionnaire Report word document 42K
Most of the responses have been by people who races regularly. If you don't race (for whatever reason) your views would be valuable as the results are rather skewed at present. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 3:03pm
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right, well the reason i said i didnt race was coz i didnt own a boat.... and for level i put down 3, is the ISA SBSS(small boat sailing scheme (i think!)) level 3 the equivelant to the RYA lvl 3? its a level and an exam short of being an instructor. ------------- |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 3:48pm
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Its probably not that important for the questionnaire.
The RYA has two schemes junior: stage 1, 2, 3, red, blue and white, and adult level 1, 2 and a series of advanced modules. Adult Level 2 requirements are very similar to junior stage 3. While you may have collected all the badges! from the RYA perspective it isn't very critical since they have a pre entry assessment. However, you do need to be a competent sailor. The aim of the questionnaire is to put together a picture of why people aren't racing and then think about what club policies might be affordable and help. For example many clubs hire boats (overcoming the no-boat problem). what I was surprised by was the number of experienced sailors thinking training would be useful and encourage them to sail more. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 5:41pm
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A couple of classes I have sailed have run regular training sessions where the class hot-shots share their secrets. Everybody gains from this, even if you have been sailing for years. If anyone knew it all, they would win every time, and there aren't many classes where that happens. |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 5:55pm
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i put down instructor, tho i'm only an assisatant instructor, hope that don't mess it up ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 6:40pm
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are the RYA certificates and badges really that important (in the sailing world, not the questionare)???
I don't have any and it hasn't effected my sailing, so what are they actually for?? ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 6:49pm
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Yeah i don't knoweiher sailor girl cos ive done most of them but thye are only to make the RYA money i suppose! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 6:57pm
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Sarah
I don't really think it's that important to have the badge, but doing an RYA course is an easy way into the sport for a lot of people. Furthermore, if a club is running a course along the same lines as the RYA then you might as well include a certificate to those who complete it successfully. I also think providing some tangible measure of success encourages younger sailors. however, I do think it's important to be qualified if you teach, for two reasons:
That is not to imply that training run by unqualified caoches and instructors is not as good or that it is unsafe. Although I don't think you can get instructor/coach insurance unless you're qualified - which could leave you a bit exposed if something went wrong (even if its not your fault). I seem to have drifted off the point...  ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 7:04pm
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Yeah, im not saying not to have the instructors cert cos im going to get that this year, but i meant the RYA 1 2 3 certs, i just don't see what use they are. ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 23 Jan 05 at 7:38pm
| sounds good at sailing centers |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 24 Jan 05 at 12:45am
| Gives the kids something to aim for at the end of the week - got to get a certificate and your blankety blank cheque book and pen!!!!!! |
Posted By: TomEagle
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 5:44am
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so i'm canadian and we have a much different system. where do i fit in? our system is white sail 1,2,3 is basic sailing skills (tacking, gybing and just learning the very basics) then Bronze 4 and 5 are advanced sailing like rudderless, spinnaker and trapeze and all sorts of theory like vectors and air flow then there is silver 6 and that is basic to intermediate racing skills. like tactics, roll tacks and gybes and that sorta thing. then there is gold 7 which is advanced racing like every adjustment possible and crazy tactics and you have to have a season plan and place in an international event. I have my silver 6 and am working on my gold seven. where would I be in the RYA system? ------------- everything youve heard about canadians is true i eat ice i sleep on rocks i hunt for my food i have the eyes of a hawk heart of a grizzly and the grim determination of a beaver, yep a beaver |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 8:34am
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RYA do (more accurately - did about 15 years ago when I went through it all) have levels 1 - 3 for basic cruising, level 4 was racing, & level 5 advanced cruising. They then have red, white, blue, silver and gold racing levels as well, followed by national youth squad. Based on that you are probably at the silver level in the RYA system too...but don't take my word for it. Jon Emmett or Harry can tell you what goes on now with regional zones and all sorts of stuff... |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 5:48pm
The RYA system has just changed again for juniors - now all run out and buy new logbooks Basically: 1,2,3 (eq to L2) then join the adult advanced modules. There is to be an intro to racing 4 I think. Will know more once I have a log book. I would guess the changes will be on their website by now. ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |