How long is reasonable to take avoiding
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Topic: How long is reasonable to take avoiding
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Subject: How long is reasonable to take avoiding
Date Posted: 21 Oct 07 at 5:49pm
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Simple port and stbd, I was on stbd sailing down wind PORT boat is trying to claim they did not have enough time to avoid me (so I went behind them) I was on Stb gybe for at least 100m before we got close, they had seen me and they had at least 30 seconds, they claim that they were running DDW (it was a monohull) and did not have steerage way to take action - I dispute this, they were moving! So how long is Sufficient time to take action? It was obvious we were on a converging course, It was light but constant wind and so I was on a constant heading. They could have gybed and headed up without dropping the kite as it was light wind. I've had a quick look in the case book, but cannot find one that defines "reasonable time". Can anyone help? Windspeed was maybe 5kts and no tide. ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
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Posted By: Stuart O
Date Posted: 21 Oct 07 at 7:03pm
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Reasonable is just that according to type of boat wind and course closing speeds, point of sailing, when a hail was made.... however in the circumstances you describe i personally think that was reasonable. Travelling DDW doesn't exonerate them and IMHO is a P**S poor excuse....I take it they managed to round up at the end of the leg or are they impailed on the banks of Grafham water? (If they are I apologise) Unfortuantely this sort of incident is occuring to often I have hailed at 300m at one boat with a kite up in a force 3 (20-30 seconds or so)and was ignored until a collision was iminant and they capsized beacause they had to crash gibe to advoid us |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 21 Oct 07 at 9:30pm
| You only need to give reasonable time before the start. After that, as long as you are not in the middle of a gybe/tack tough sh*t, the port boat is in the wrong. |
Posted By: NeilP
Date Posted: 22 Oct 07 at 5:03pm
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There's no requirement to give time. The only way you could be in the wrong here is if you changed course without allowing ROOM to keep clear, or if you allowed a collision to occur which was avoidable AND which caused damage. Completely clear-cut, I'm afraid. In any case, the rules only ever require that you give room to keep clear, not time. Of course, the two may end up amounting to very much the same thing!! ------------- No FD? No Comment! |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 22 Oct 07 at 5:08pm
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thanks everyone, you are all confirming my view of this. Just looking for chapter and verse when I talk to the other helm.
------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 22 Oct 07 at 5:33pm
| I believe there is not even a requirement to hail starboard!! (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 22 Oct 07 at 5:51pm
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What NeilP says ... ------------- |
Posted By: Stuart O
Date Posted: 22 Oct 07 at 7:31pm
| No nee to hail....BUT IT HELPS |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 8:08am
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Starboard Hail is just an advisory, it is the responsibility of the people on the course to be aware of what is going on around them. Hail of Protest is required though after they have hit you!! ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 8:31am
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There are only 2 requirements in the RRS to hail: 1) For water 2) Protest Aside from that if you are not in a position where you know you have right of way over pretty much everything then keep a look out (I believe that is required by the RRS but not sure of a rule number). In the protest roo the Port boat would not have a leg to stand on and would be asked to retire (or DSQ'd) in very short order. Regards, Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: FreshScum
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 11:26am
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You only have to hail for water/room to tack. Not for rounding and passing a mark or obstruction. Obviously it helps in the second case though, to let the other boat know you're about to go between them and something which might cause some damage! Rule 19. http://sailing.org/20348.php |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 23 Oct 07 at 11:39am
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Fresh Scum is correct the only hails that have any meaning in the rules are "Room to Tack", which may have the reply "You Tack", these only has meaning when used in the correct situation, and "Protest". ------------- 
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