49er
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Topic: 49er
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Subject: 49er
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 4:45pm
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Im sure many people are thinking like me. I really want to sail a 49er in the future but im not sure what path to take. What boat should i get. I was thinking of a RS600 but i much prefer crewing. Im 65kg and the other person will vary between the same as me and a heavy lump of a dad!!!!!!!!! Any replies would be great ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
I sail in a lake and there is around f3 to f4 wind all the time. I would like a boat that goes well in light wind so i can practise alot. And that singles out the 29er.
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Posted By: Franco
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 4:59pm
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Get a 49er and get on with it! There would be alot of good ones for sale cheap now alot of nations are selecting there Olympians. |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 6:35pm
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I think it would be a little fast for my lake. Would a 29erxx be a good training boat in terms of skill required. Think their a little slower And do you know if you can get a second hand xx ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 6:48pm
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i think your overestimating a 49er yeah their hard but if you handle a 600 you can handle a 49er. Infact if you can sail a 29er well then moving straight into a 49er is the most obvious step up ( for me anyways).
you could a get a 29erxx but youll be overweight ( if your the right weight for a 49er that is) plus there pretty damn expensive at the mo cos their pretty new boats. 49er arent good club boats because of the team work needed to sail them try looking a rs 800 mate they seem to fit the bill more for you. |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 6:54pm
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if your puddle is too small for a 49er, where do you intend to sail it? if i was desperate to sail a 49er i would get my 600 sorted out then bully someone into crewing for me. then when they are nearly competent give them the waggle stick. this is just me musing, i have no idea if this would work (watching pinky sail at hill head whenever he's here really makes me want to go for a play). ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 7:04pm
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Well i planned to sail one quite a bit later when i go to uni and hopefully there will be a big lake. But at the mo i want a training boat. ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 7:11pm
I doubt it. I suppose a twin wire Cherub would teach you the skills needed  . A boat test was done against the 29erxx and an 05' rules Cherub (Atum bom). Neither of the boats were thought better, but the the general consensuses was that the Cherub was quicker and the XX was easier to sail, first off.Cheap twin wire boats: Cherub, Spice, Boss, laser 5000. They're the ones that jump to mind first. Where do you sail? How big is the sailing area? Why so keen on the 49er? How far do you want to take your sailing? Campaign around Europe? Club racing? Open meetings? ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 19 Sep 07 at 7:25pm
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If you can sail an RS600 the 49er is a piece of cake until it gets really breezy assuming your crew is as good as you !
As mentioned though you really do need to think about where you sail, as leeward shores or confined launching/retrieving areas can cost you a few pennies in damage. Taking the main down on the water and neatly rolling it is fiddly and pretty difficult. If you prefer crewing then crew any assymetric with at least the crew trapezing, even crewing an ISO would help with the skills you'll need. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 3:05pm
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I would say a new rules cherub, or if your feeling energetic, a 12ft skiff. 800 would be the obvious bet for your position, and in terms of uni - dont go to a uni which sails on a pond!! I recomend Plymouth, just fantastic sailing!!! Plus if you want a 49er to train, olympic stuff get your check book out! with these new rules for masts, sails etc - there are mutterings of the older non CNC made boats not being alowed to race with the new hard chinned CNC boats!! may not be true, im no longer in the class, but one to consider. Is the 49er going down the 470 kinda line, yes. For shear fun 24/7 and the best sailing of your life, you really cant beat a twin wire 12ft boat weighing under 50kg!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 4:52pm
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In the end my main aim is for 2012. small lake under £1500 e.g(rs600, contender)secondhand and works!!!!!
------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
bit of a personal everest, but hey why not. And the 49er is the only one i fancy. The 470 looks a bit boring. But for now i need a boat that i can practise in for a: Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 5:00pm
im confused, do you want a boat that is a single hander do you can sail with your dad or other people |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 5:05pm
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24/7 with a 12ft skiff that's a touch on the ambitious side ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 5:06pm
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Any really I just want a training boat wether thats a single or double handed boat it doesnt really matter. RS600, Contender, Laser 5000, ect all are quite cheap secondhand. ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 6:12pm
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If the Olympics are your goal, you need racing skills. You'll get these by regular class racing. At 14, your only options are to get involved with RYA chosen youth classes. These are listed hear: http://www.rya.org.uk/Youth/youthsailracingprogrammes/nation aljuniorsquad/nationaljuniorsquad.htm I was in a RYA Topper squad for a while and it's hard work, but I learned more in that short space of time than I did collectively before that. I'm not saying you HAVE get into a squad, but your best chances of getting to the Olympics is through the RYA youth squad program. At the very minimum, you want to be attending as many open events and all the major national events possible in whatever class you chose to sail in. Getting good results will come with experience. Prepare to be thrashed to begin with, It's demoralising but it will only get better if you practice. Remember, some of those kids have been race training with the RYA since they were 11! The more time you can get on the water, racing, the better. Good luck! ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 6:44pm
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Yes, if you wana do 2012 you already need a brand new boat and a very good racing past!! I started on a campain in the 49er for 2012, jacked it in to campain the 12! haha, different people wana do different things i guess. and 24/7 for fun, ok, when there is actually NO wind, and you have an 8m stick in the wobbling about isnt much fun! haha ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 7:33pm
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Yeah if you want to go for 2012 you will have to try and get into national racing etc. What else have you sailed previously? ------------- |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:05pm
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Ive sailed: Starting At the bottom. Topper,Pico,Rs Feva Middle Laser 2000,laser 3000,wanderer,anaconda,comet trio,420 Top 29er,laser 4000, Thats about it i think. ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:21pm
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get a laser, get a lot of class racing, then start worrying abou going ludicrously quickly. for the games you are going to need the racing experience and a laser will be the best choice for that. edit: coincidently my laser is currently for sale for £2300, PM for more details. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:32pm
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Oww and im supposed to believe that when you'v got one for sail and blatintly you wont to sell it ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:42pm
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I have to agree, if you want to try for 2012 your going to need the right racing experience and the Laser is excellent for that, ive learnt so much in racing after about 2 - 3 months in mine! ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:45pm
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Yes, do believe it. As much as I hate to say it, A laser would be a GREAT start for you. Get one, sail every minute of the day ( well, as much as you can ) ... do some events, get yourself noticed by the RYA ( eg: by winning everything ) and they will come to you. Theres always room for improvment when you get a Laser, they will give you the basic racing experience, all the way through to fleets of over 300 boats on the start line ( Nationals / Worlds / etc ) with top level Team GBR sailors competing against weekend club sailors. Try it for a few weeks ( Borrow your sisters boat for a few days in a half term or something, once you get used to how tippy ( stable compared to many boats! ) it is, you'll see another side too it. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:46pm
| Lets face it. If any young person wants to get to Olympic level you have to forget fun and choice. Dedication, cash and indulgent parents are far more important. How many squad jackets are now at the bottom of the drawer discarded by once aspiring, now dissolusioned young sailors. Mind you I am a well known miserable old sod. |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 8:55pm
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Ok then. So i buy a laser with all the money i have with no imput of my parents. Then What do i do after that. Its taken me 3 years to save up!!!!!!!!! Thats why i want the right boat. ------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 9:08pm
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Get adopted.
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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 9:16pm
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The benefit of boats is if you look after them they are often worth about what you paid for them (its the looking after them that costs). Of course a 14 you could try to storm the topper squad! But the lontg and short of it is you will need to sail and race at the right events regularly and show some talent to get the RYA to pay attention. Or find enough money to compete overseas without RYA support and beat the RYA squad boats. Simple eh ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 9:17pm
 , okay once youve bought my laser, you get a car and get yourself to every event you can. now its just a matter of winning them. this means lots of time on the water. you will also need top level coaching and that only comes at top level prices, so you need funding, from the RYA, and you get that by winning lots of things, which you do by getting coaching, which you pay for by......------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 9:29pm
Classic ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 20 Sep 07 at 9:32pm
Agreed. If you cant get a new set of sails ( or even 2 .. ) per season, you will find it harder each year to keep up, no matter how well your skills blossom. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Franco
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 7:38am
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Rubbish! Ben Rhodes 49er Rep Ex Laser sailor, Dad owns a Kitchen fitting Business. Jo Glanfield 470 Rep, Stevie Morrison 49er, Adam May Tornado (Sydney) All of these guys had a choice, Stevie quit his job to go full time sailing! None of these guys have either well off or indulgent parents and yes if you know them they do have fun along the way. It's this sort of negative mind set that defeats most kids through the squads, yes you can do it with dedication and a positive attitude. |
Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 9:22am
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Please do not think that I am trying to discourage anybody from aiming high. But you do have to be realistic about it. I, and I am sure others, have seen young people fall by the wayside with thier dreams shattered. Also any young student who wishes to do well HAS to have indulgent parents at some time or they cannot travel to prove how good they are. Friends of mine have one daughter on the Topper Squad and another on the 29er Squad. Mum and Dad see each other somtimes. They have another daughter who is a good club racer. I myself have travelled with my son, not to the extent of some others, but enough. He has had great success in "minor" classes and we both enjoyed every moment of it. He is on work placement from Uni. earning and has his own car. All I had to do was fit the towbar so that he can travel with his B14. To sum up. See how good you are in any class, See how enthusiastic you are, See how much support you can get. There are lots of races you can win without even thinking about the Olympics. Above all enjoy yourself. I am just a humble joiner but I have to admit that many squad parents do seem to fit into the middle class/professional segment which sailing ousiders would expect. Now that is a shame. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 12:25pm
I say sod the Squad, your 14 - geta boat you enjoy!! When I was 13 I moved into an A class!! LOVED IT! You get a taste of speed and just wana go faster, dont give up on the fun of trapezing!!!  & dont move backwards in boat performance------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 4:14pm
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I agree if i get a laser i wont enjoy it "asmuch" and will probably give up. I think a 29er, hefty in price but spoke to a sailing mate same age but doesnt way as much and we both agreed we'd put togerther and buy a two handed boat. Reasons for a 29er: Strong youth class Basically a perfect training boat for the 49er (main aim) 29er is quite big and if you conqurer that class your bound to get noticed!
------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 5:41pm
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well good luck to you. i admire your ambition. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 6:21pm
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Yup, 29er and then when you can drive geta 49er!! Good luck dude ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Sailing Tinker
Date Posted: 21 Sep 07 at 7:30pm
Yep well aim high and maybe just maybe ull see me in the future "maybe" Just to say my parents arnt that mean but weve only just brout the two boats for my sis and that, and there quite busy so they may be able to take us to events. But they aint puttin money towards a new boat Thanks for the info its been quite interestin reading all your views.------------- Mark Laser 3000 3520 |