Designing your own boat?
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Topic: Designing your own boat?
Posted By: Ross
Subject: Designing your own boat?
Date Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 10:28pm
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Has anyone had a go? I downloaded Google sketch up and had a go just for fun. I can't get it to render though :(. Post a picture of yours up!
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 10:58pm
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Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 11:12pm
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Well I like it - not surprisingly ! Blaze 720 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 11:37pm
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Made this this afternoon in a few spare hours. Influenced by several cherub designs. "Paterson 7" and "Butt Plug" being the main two. This is the first time I've used a CAD program, let alone designed a hull! So go easy! It's difficult to see the design (  ) but you might get the idea... I can send you the file if you want. You'll have to download Google Sketch up, but its free and only takes a couple of mins.http://imageshack.us">  http://imageshack.us">  Rear view http://imageshack.us">  Top view http://imageshack.us">  Front view http://imageshack.us">  underside view ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 Sep 07 at 11:40pm
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My future aim is to design a very light, very fast single handed, hiking spinnaker boat.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 07 Sep 07 at 12:12am
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Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 07 Sep 07 at 10:17am
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Can you let me know when you find out how to 'flesh out' the design i've just had a look at it and it seems quite a good little tool, so long as you can get it to add surfaces. The boat looks pretty cool. As to your idea i saw someone at our local club tried putting a symettric kite on a non foiling moth, using the wings instead of a kite pole. Went quite well although he kept binning it on the drops. Would be interesting to see an assy kite on one. ------------- Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg" |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 07 Sep 07 at 12:18pm
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Something I have been talking to Mr Aardvark about with relation to Emma's Fat Bottom Girl. Anyone interested in a fixed bowsprit hard chine Assy Moth talk to Mike at Aardvark ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 13 Sep 07 at 8:49pm
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:02am
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Not really designed by me, it's a Simon Roberts design, but changed from wings to racks and an I14 style gantry with a little bit of input from me...
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:10am
Its about time Simon came up with a successor to the Slug - its being ridiculously long lived for a Cherub design. |
Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:21am
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thats a cool drawing, can i ask what software you used to create it? ------------- Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg" |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:44am
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 10:29am
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*Edit* Ooops, sorry, I forgot the techie bit:
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 10:51am
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Jim...I think he's thinking about it, however I'm not sure how you'd make it much better really! MpHarris...I'll find out for you BNS, very good, however I reckon a bit less rocker and longer chines might improve it's planing abilities somewhat...although looks like it will be good in chop... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:56pm
| I'd like to design and easy to sail boat for an intro to twin wires. Kind of like what the spice should have been. |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 9:58pm
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M_liddell .. You mean Like the spice? Go try. You never know, you might like it. May be a dead class, but prices are stable because of it, its cheap to get in, you're bound to get what you paid for it, and they are fun! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Sep 07 at 10:25pm
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 12:37pm
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Yeah the Spice concept but a good boat rather than the piece of junk topper produced. There really isn't a decent alternative. It is quite nice sailing a twin wire boat that won't eat you alive in > 20knts. |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 12:47pm
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M_liddell have you ever sailed a spice? if not then dont you have no rights to dis the boat. and unlike cherub's it doesnt break every time it is used, and ive had it out in 23knts+ on the sea and survived... ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 12:52pm
Most of the fleet was out in more than that recently at weymouth and the only breakage I heard of was on my boat where one of the blocks in the kicker system wore through the 1.5mm vectran strop tieing it to the boat. Hardly surprising and its now been spec'ed up to something entirely more suitable. ------------- |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 3:41pm
Nothing broke on the cherub I sailed, Loco Perro. Nothing major was broken at the nationals that comes to mind. A mast snapping was the biggest thing I can think of, and you cant say that other classes don't have that problem! The boat that had the most problems was "Oops". But what do you expect from a boat that uses modified Royal Mail letter bags as a spinnaker chute!  Some of the boats went out in in 30+ knots with no boat problems, just sailor problems . The Welsh boys were fine, nothing broke and no sailor issues. Spinnaker runs all over the shop.Still want a drag race? Me in my 97' rules cherub (Flat Stanly, picking it up on Friday!) against you in the spice  . I might throw on a bigger kite..When are you next going for a blast day on a big lake? Give me a shout. http://sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/secondhand Carbon/nomex construction, It's isn't going to break any time soon! A bargain at 2 grand! Carbon rig, 05 rules, self tacking jib, bloodaxe foils, enough sails to fill you bedroom and a combi trailer! On Wednesday, you said you wanted to to get into 12 foot skiffs, Cherubs are the perfect stepping stone. Disclaimer: People will say that it's a bit silly of me to be talking about drag racing before I have even got the boat, but it's only for a laugh people! ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 3:48pm
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Ross your have been beaten to a 'unofficial' boat test with the spice but hey a a boats a boat... edit: nxt going to Datchet on the 29th me thinks ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 4:10pm
I'm away (Cherub blasting weekend). Come to King George some time! ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 5:15pm
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Where is the blasting weekend? The one at Draycote was awesome last year and I don't even have a cherub! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 6:07pm
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Ross why dont you join us at datchett for a blast, i already have organised a drag race with us against the spice, would be more then happy to show you proper downhill boat speed! ------------- |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 7:23pm
I would love to! When? But I can't drive and can't get anywhere unless other people have double stacker's and are willing to pick me up. I have to scrounge a lift and a tow, everywhere I go . The Cherub hasn't got nearly as much sail area as a 14, and I bet you have a kite of about 30-35 meters square! It's only 97 rules (for the moment). We'll still eat that spice for breakfast!------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 7:33pm
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Well, I'm now possibly available as a crew ... if anyone going wants one for the day? Any offers accepted of course Well .. almost any! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 7:48pm
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Get Craig out in the 5000!
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 17 Sep 07 at 8:32pm
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Are you still coming to bbsc this weekend? ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 12:46pm
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Yes, I have sailed a spice. Probably about 4 times in total but enough for me to form an opinion on it. I had fun but it has some quite serious flaws. I wish that someone would take the concept and create a new design. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 12:55pm
I think RS would say that boat is the 800... |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 12:59pm
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I wish someone would get the 5000 mould and make one that doesn't weigh 110 kilos! If Laser did what Vander craft did for the laser 3000 and sold it for around £8000, I think that class would take off with enough marketing. The 3000 wasn't very successful in comparison to the 5000, so I think the 5000 is the ideal candidate for modernising/updating. Laser need an RS800 in there range.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 1:10pm
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Smight, yes we are and bringing the spice
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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 2:57pm
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Gdgd i'll definatly be there sunday but i'm not not sure about saturday. Might let you have a blast in the 600 if it's not too breezey ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 3:07pm
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George, show him Atum Bom! Will and Lucy sail at BBSC, right? If not, Ooops. Just for laughs . Ooops will still beat the spice me thinks
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 3:52pm
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think i will defo want a go in the 600 and i should be fine in any breeze as long as there is pro grip on the racks...Ross craigs 5 tonner only ventures out about once a month now... but i think hes busy sailing a 4 tonner atm ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 5:18pm
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Atum bom is at home right now becasue they jsut got back from Carnac and they at Brightlingsea in two weeks. I somehow doubt oops will win unless the breeze is well and truely up. Plus oops dosn't go upwind that quickly ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 5:19pm
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There is pro-grip on the although it needs replacing ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 5:54pm
You'd also need to change the hull shape, the spars and the sails... |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 6:02pm
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Pephaps you'd still be able to re-use the trolley ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 6:03pm
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I think the expression is you cant polish a turd!!! ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 6:26pm
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 6:30pm
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Our boss never broke TT, i would expect the 5k not to break with teh weight it is carying it must be made out of steel! ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 6:32pm
Yup, I'll be the poor guy in there with you! I'll need a go in the 600 as well of course ... If I'm allowed! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 7:01pm
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thats swimming lessons for you then villan... the guy who wants a funboat ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 7:14pm
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Vortex tbh. Dont diss it til you've tried one. More than fast enough for me. ( 930 - so faster than anything you have ... even your Topper! ) ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 7:23pm
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we'll be fine. I'm sure you can have a swim with the 600 ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 8:18pm
Perhaps that is the problem, after a season in a spice -esque boat most people would want an 800. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 9:25pm
Naaa, it would be lighter if it was made of steel! Balls, it looks like all the action is at BBSC this weekend. I would pop down my self, but unfortunately I have to go and PICK UP MY CHERUB and win the scout nationals this weekend  .------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 9:33pm
Win the scout natinoals? That sounds like a task ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 9:49pm
What are "natinoals" . I don't know how many people have entered yet, so i don't know how big/small the task is. It will still earn me "water cred". It's like "street cred" only a little damper...------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 07 at 9:53pm
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sorry spelling errors ------------- RS600 988 |