The flying kipper
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: The flying kipper
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Subject: The flying kipper
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 8:49pm
 What do you recon. http://www.uk-cherub.org - http://www.uk-cherub.org (go to member's boat pages then the flying kipper) My crew and i are trying to sell our boats and buy it.  ------------- RS600 988 |
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 9:34pm
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Stick with the 200 looks faster then that! Or buy a penni 14 ------------- |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 9:42pm
Don't think so Merlinboy She was 5th at last years nationals plus has a 97 rules rig from mango jam  ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 10:07pm
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I'm not going to sl*g off the cherub class because they are a bloody good bunch with plenty of passion and love for their class, just wish allot of other classes shared their enthusiasum. But it doesnt say allot when in that pic the boat has an alloy hog stepped rig with dacron sails does it also is that one twin wire ?? Secondly if you are asking for peoples opinions why are you shooting them down in flames when they give you one ??? ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 11:33pm
I do't know what you intended it to be, but from here it read more like a rather silly crack than an opinion intended to be helpful... |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 19 Jun 07 at 11:43pm
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Kipper is a 'dog' design which compared to the other boats of the era was quite hard to sail in certain conditions but extremely rapid in others... It is the predecesor to the 'Slug' (the current nationals winning design which spawned the daemon) and in a good breeze with all other factors equal I think its faster than the slug... different story in the light stuff however. It is an alloy mast but only the jib is dacron... why did it do so well at the nationals? It was well set up, very light for its age and sailed by an experianced pair who in their newer boat this year will be very unlucky to be outside the top 3. ------------- |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 1:03pm
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Thanks jimc and no offence merlin boy but i'm not going to buy a penni 14 it's just wrong for me in everyway As well as this i think it has a 600 mast that comes with it which if i'm correct was donated by the trims to the cherub class and is being borrowed by isis? ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 1:35pm
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The 600 mast went up on my boat for the first time yesterday actualy! It will need extending to fit a boat without a stump but I can probibly dig out some tube to help you do this if its heading in your direction after Ive built my new mast. If you havnt already Id phone Tom whos number is on the bottom of the advert to have a chat and arange to go and have a look at her... Unfortunately somewhere like this isnt the place to get unbiassed answers! ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 1:36pm
do it! 
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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 2:34pm
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Thanks for the advice but i have been e-mailing him and i'm trying to arrange a day to go for a test sail he's said he's up for it it's just finding a date ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 9:27pm
Common george  14s Forever ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 20 Jun 07 at 10:52pm
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do it its a really qick boat infact it has often beaten 2005 rigged boats ------------- |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 8:09am
It aint gonna happen alex  ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 4:57pm
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It was an opinion of mine which i think i backed up very well, Thew original question was what do you think? And i answered ! it was a posting on an open forum! ------------- |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 10:26pm
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The Kipper is a seriously well sorted boat that is in really, really nice condition. It was also annoyingly fast at the nationals regardless of wind conditions and would make an excellent buy. In actual fact the only reason not to buy it would be to buy Suicide Blonde instead (sorry for the plug Tom!! You will not be dissapointed with the Kipper, go for it! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
) however that's a lot closer to a Penni 14 than the Kipper so probably not right for you and also I need her for the Nationals!Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 24 Jun 07 at 11:12am
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I bought Sweet Dreams around a month ago, this also has a 97 rules rig. The boat is still awesome though and well worth it. I'd strongly recommend it to anyone who wants to try something a bit new and very silly. Its an awesome feeling when it jumps on the plane and nearly throws you out the back of the boat, also really good for winding up any ISO or RS400 sailors by reeling them in on the downwind legs. ------------- Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg" |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 9:04pm
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I bought Eggbert the Nasty last november off Stu and i love it to bits ok i can't saill it very well and kepp breaking it but it's still awesome! you can't find a nicer bunch of people the the cherubites. You'll love the Flying Kipper do it! P.S. Can someone please loan me £2250 i'm the mood for a nice Blonde! ------------- Cherub 2535 "Eggbert the Nasty" Soon to be for sale PM for Details Cherub 2657 "Slippery When Wet" Don't sail fly Cherub |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 05 Jul 07 at 11:19pm
HELL YER! Spot on bud! Thats the reaction you get from a 12ft boat!! I was in cherubs for yearrrrrs - even had a stint in a 49 and int moth, but came to the conclusion, you just cant beat a light weight 12ft boat! Sweet Dreams is a very nice boat and a gorgeous rig! Its always nice to show those SMODs whos boss on the downwind leg - still remember getting thrown off the back of Aqua during a very high acceleration!Soon tamed her. Still gota get my 12ft skiff tunned up now! Come on lads - join the 12ft REVOLUTION!!! Cherubs and 12's are the best in the world! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 8:51am
You can't beat a lighter 11 foot boat though... |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 8:52am
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Or a faster 14ft boat ------------- |
Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 9:04am
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Well i saw at Bala in May an I14 desperately trying to shrug off Atum on a long run back to the club and Atum wasn't being lost, so is it really a faster 14ft boat? Lol, the 14 does look good but just doesn't have the same silly factor as a Cherub / 12. ------------- Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg" |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 10:30am
| The 14s look so much faster though, don't know why but they just do! |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 12:07pm
Upwind might be a different story... |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 1:27pm
A list which varies for everyone of course. The 14 wouldn't be on mine. Great classes... for me 505, IC, Int Moth, 12footer, its not actually a long list... The 29er might make the list in a while, the XX won't for sure. |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 1:29pm
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The modern 14's are much quicker upwind and have an incredable standard at the top end.
But for low cost development class racing I think the Cherub has the edge at the moment. Most of the active boats in the class are like the Kipper and at the nationals you will have plenty of like boats to race against. How many Penultimates will be at POW? With a Cherub you are sailng a 50kg boat compared with about 85kg for a Penultimate and that makes a big difference. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 6:29pm
I think that was me at Bala and i seem to remebner coming 2nd in one race and the cherub was nowhere near us down hill NOWHERE NEAR ------------- |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 8:57pm
I think that could be an example of a well sailed cherub vs a not so well sailed 14. TBH the new i14's, on paper, should leave the cherubs standing but if a boats not sailed well it's not going to be fast be it an 18 or an oppie. I remember when i first started sailing the 200, I raced a n12 (3111) which as it happens is the first registered baggy trousers, and it left us standing. Now we've got used to the boat, improved our sailing dramaticly and now were faster than that n12. ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 07 Jul 07 at 6:25pm
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Forgive my little brother ha ha. If he payed attention he wud no tht russ hasnt had it that long. If the cherubites really wanted to put their money where their mouths were theyd come down to itchenor and race the 14s there. I can promise u even the mighty atom bomb would be swept aside as most of the 14 sailors are seriously good with very quick boats. Judging by the way my 14 even in the light stuff was getting past the 800s im pretty sure we could hold off the cherub contingent And there should be quite a few pennies at POW with current rules boats like mine there. And jim if you'd have the 29er on a boats list over a 14 you need to think again! ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 Jul 07 at 7:33pm
The i14 was pretty poor for a whole chunk of its history, from the 60s right through until the amalgamation. Thinking in the long term I can't ignore that. They're fine boats now, but it took throwing out the entire fleet and starting again with what was to all intents and purposes a new class. The 29er is IMHO the best one design of about the last 25 years, and I think it could well turn out to be one of the great boats. The XX on the other hand I am a lot less convinced about. |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 08 Jul 07 at 12:08am
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tbh the cherub and the i14 are very different classes that appeal to different people. I'm sure that that the majority of the cherub fleet will accept that the most of the time a cherub would not keep up with a 14 but you couldn't put 22 stone in a i14 and get the same performance over the wind range as you would from a cherub, for example. Yes there will be some i14's that may cope with lightweights in them but you'll also find some heavyier sailors in cherubs. They are as i said very different class that have some very different boats. ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 08 Jul 07 at 7:26pm
| Sounds like you boys need to try a Cherub before dissing them. There's quite a big difference between "Fast" and "Quick". If you want fast, but a cat, 18, or 49er, if you want quick, buy a cherub or a 12 (depending on your weight). |
Posted By: Skiffybob
Date Posted: 08 Jul 07 at 7:27pm
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Oh, and if you haven't bourght it yet, get on with it, you're running out of time for the Nats. |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 08 Jul 07 at 10:22pm
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I know it's just a case of finish my n12 as qiocl;y as possible then sell it ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 09 Jul 07 at 5:28pm
Very true we didnt sail it well, but still well enough to beat ALL of the cherubs!!!! In ideal cherub conditions aswell, we didnt do bad considering we had only sailed it twice before and anyone that knows about 14's knows the morrison 12 isnt an easy boat to sail!! ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 09 Jul 07 at 9:23pm
Without trying to sound sarcastic.... how do ideal cherub conditions differ from ideal 14 conditions? ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 09 Jul 07 at 9:48pm
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They arnt any different thats !!! but when we have beaten the Cherubs before the said it was to light so you cant win! ------------- |