footstraps
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Topic: footstraps
Posted By: Merlinboy
Subject: footstraps
Date Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 10:08pm
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Has anyone fited any of these yet ? if so are they any good? http://www.aquastrap.net - www.aquastrap.net
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http://www.aquastrap.net/ - Replies:
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 10:22pm
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I have "hose pipe" style handles towards the back of my Contender. I don't use them and I doubt I ever will. The thought of getting my foot trapped in it in a capsize scares me. I'm taking them of when I fit the new progrip. If you have progrip I doubt that you would need the anyway?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 10:36pm
You definately need them on some boats, cherub comes to mind
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 10:51pm
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Nosediving, wave jumping, superlight skiffs .. Yes, I can see them needing them ... Contenders .. Just hold the tiller tighter  ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 11:46pm
Why not buy the real thing?
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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 7:12am
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DONT take them off just yet Ross. They are very good and helpful for trapezing on a broad reach in marginal conditions. You need your weight back, but without them there is no way to brace yourself apart from friction. Even if you can brace on friction alone, your feet will hurt like hell after a short time ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 9:26am
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Ross i sail a morrision 12 international 14, and you need them !!!! we have "the proper thing" at the moment, but we are fitting another toe loop so i thought change them all for the quick realease style i have been semi caught once and it aint nice trust me. I just wondered if anybody has fitter them if so are they heavy, crap good??? ------------- |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 9:47am
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I have a set of Magic Marine ones on the back of the 16; used them a few times and they keep you there when the front of the boat disappears in to a wave. Just make sure they are not too tight. Don't want to be stuck in them if the boat does go in.... ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 9:54am
I say fit them at a slight angle as mine are upright and wish they weren't! It's not often that you are in the footloops stood vertical! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: skiffcrew
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 10:02am
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i always fit mine verticaly as then when you get low on the trapeze your foot rolls back and locks you in, i don't know how easy it would be to get your foot out in an emergency but its fine for normal manouvers as i tend to stand up on the gunwale holding the trap handle to free the clip. also if they were mounted horizontaly then if you capsized it would be harder to get your foot out, i'd have thought? |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 10:06am
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I'm not saying fit them horizontal, but a few degrees off vertical would definitely make a difference to the ease of use I think.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 12:52pm
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I heard that you want them tighter if anything so that only your toes can fit, i.e. cant go past the wide part of you foot. That way, when you do go in, your foot is not too far in the strap, and should come out very easily. And if it doesn't you might only break a toe rather than an ankle ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 1:02pm
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Fair point So on the releasable ones how do they not release when you are just sailing ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: MattK
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 3:38pm
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It says on the website you can choose the release strength by how far you
put the strap into the gripper, but more importantly, how fast can you put them back together if at all? As you havent got time after a wipeout to be clipping all your footloops back together mid race! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 4:14pm
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I checked a pair out on a musto at the weekend and they looked quite clever. I guess you've got more chance of clipping a pair back together after a big wipeout than you have putting your ankle back together if you break it! It's just a safety measure after all, I am guessing that you would still initially try and get your foot out when it all goes wrong rather than just relying on some fancy technology!
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 5:58pm
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fit your straps verticly James, if they are at an angle you are more inclined to fall out also, it is more uncomfortable with your foot at a 90 angle !!!, having said that a slight angle may help a little. but if ur in the back foot loops on the MPS, last thing you are gonna be thinking about are "ouch my feet hurt a little bit or damn i wish i had put my foot loops on at an angle " ------------- |
Posted By: simon hiscocks
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 8:16pm
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Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 9:10pm
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yea the shock footstraps are the best by far! They dont weigh anything, they do not absorb any water, they do not break. How many people do hear of breaking there ankles from footstraps.... i have never heard of any one breaking anything. add 29er to that list aswell ------------- 49er GBR5 http://www.teamfletcherandsign.co.uk - teamfletcherandsign.co.uk Team Fletcher and Sign campaign site |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 Jun 07 at 10:07pm
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If no one has ever broken anything why would there be a market for them then ??? If you look at the ,website there is a video of someone with a foot stuck and i reakon he broke his ankle and nearly drown. ------------- |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 07 Jun 07 at 1:46pm
I remember someone telling me about when their trap wire snapped and they had thier foot stuck in a footstrap, broke their ankle. Also know of a cat sailor who was sailing an Inter 17 and got his foot stuck when he capsized... apparently hanging upside down from your foot with it bent so you toes are almost touching your shins, isnt too comfy. ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: k_kirk
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 9:26am
| Trying to order 2 pairs of Aquastraps from their webpage but there is no shipping configured for Singapore. So I can't place the order. Wrote them 2 emails and got no reply. Such poor customer service. Does anyone know of any chandler / reseller where I can order the product? Thanks for your help. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 9:41am
Well here is says they have two stockists http://www.aquastrap.net/purchase.html - clicky UK stockist - http://flipside.co.uk/%7Esailsport/cgi-bin/ss.cgi?&page=showitem&pid=ALAS - clicky ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: k_kirk
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 5:27pm
| Thanks. Most appreciated. Lets see which one wants some of my money! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 8:14pm
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I had the SHOK foot loops on my cherub and I swear by them! You dont want your foot sliding out, but you do wana get it out when you piss it in! On my 12ft skiff I just have loads of hose tubeing along the side of the boat, I wana change them all to Shok - but the wheelie bars are only thin diameter carbon tube, so the SHOK wudnt attatch - perhaps that Aqua jobby will!!! Time will tell unless Simon wants to develop some for the 12's ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 8:24pm
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PS - also I prefer to have my footloops vertical, as if the boat is flat and you are flat wiring you want to be able to pinch your toes. If they are angled then your foot will fall out!! Different on different classes - but if your boat is sailed ontop of you upwind, then just off vertical foot loops will ensure you foot to fall out when flat on the wire!!! Sorry Tim, works for cherubs, not sure about the musto guess thats just flat all the time- but think some 14's are sailed ontop too. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 8:44pm
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Thinking about the angle of them it could be worth getting a pair of the footstraps which just attach by velcro so you can try different things out. They only work with racks as they wrap round the tube but my friend has some and they seem pretty good. No idea how much they were but I think they're made by Magic Marine.
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 8:56pm
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On my mates cherub he has the velcro ones and when he first attched them they kept on slipping so now they are cable tied on so are adjustable but don't slip. Nothing worse than getting the kite up to find the footloops upside down 
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 12 Jun 07 at 11:57pm
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Depends what and where you are sailing i wouldnt want to get kite up in anything more then 15 knots in heavy chop on the 14 without foot loops?!? ------------- |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 12:53am
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I've only sailed with the footstraps I mentioned a couple of times (on an 800) but I didn't have any problems with them twisting around. If anything they were hard to twist with the velcro undone.
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 5:47pm
If its Simon Mussell you're refering to, he told me he broke his ankle by falling on to his sail. ------------- |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 10:03pm
Bov wrecked his ankle when his trap wire snapped whilst hooked in ... I think it is the injury I worry about most. ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 10:29pm
If you've got time to worry then you're not sailing hard enough 
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 10:51pm
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Trap wires snapping is horrible happened to me at weston, But i would worry about being towed at 20 knotts with my foots stuck
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 11:33pm
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I started tarting up my contender today and I'm keeping my "hose pipe" foot loops, but they are loose. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Jimbob
Date Posted: 13 Jun 07 at 11:45pm
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For Guest#260
When you say he was "hooked in" did you mean hooked into the foot loops or just into the trapeze bail? ------------- Jimbob |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 8:10am
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ross loose toestraps is part of the problem, you only want to get your toes in really, that way if any thing does go wrong you are thrown out of them! So you need them tight enought to get just a little more then your toes in! ------------- |