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A New Two of a Kind Event

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Topic: A New Two of a Kind Event
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Subject: A New Two of a Kind Event
Date Posted: 03 May 07 at 11:04pm

Well, if nobody else will do it, we'll have to!

Wilsonian Sailing Club (www.WilsonianSC.org.uk) will be running a two-of-a-kind in tandem with its Grand Prix Open Handicap Race, sponsored by http://www.craftinsure.com - www.craftinsure.com , on Sunday 1st July.

Two of a kind (2-oak) competitors will have their own starts separate from the massed starts of the Grand Prix. Starts will be split into three handicap bands, with the slowest group starting first, and each of the 2oak starts will follow the corresponding mass-start such that the earlier boats will act as pathfinders but at the same time be so spread out if/when the 2-oak’ers catch them as not to present a block; there is in any case so much space on the Medway that overtaking is rarely a problem.

While two boats of each class are permitted to enter the 2oak, the results will be based on the first of the pair, so that if circumstances conspire to result in only one entry from a class starting, it will still count for an overall win. Also, 2oak competitors will be eligible for overall prizes in the Grand Prix itself; those prizes include category prizes, such as ‘first two-man sitting out boat with asymmetric spinnaker’ etc., and cover almost all configurations; where a large number of a given category enter, prizes will also be awarded for lower places in the category.

The course for the GP will, as usual, be laid to provide the best that the Medway can offer around high water, which is considerably more than the temperature-limited Hoo Freezer. Good long, blasting kite reaches are common, in plenty of space and depth of water. Have a look at the chart below.

We already have more than a dozen classes provisionally represented in the 2oak and will be writing to the secretaries of all the classes we can think of. But invitations are apt to go astray or get ignored, so if you want to ensure your class is represented (there should hopefully be a good write up in Y&Y etc.), get in touch with your association now and get them to organise their entry.

If you don’t get selected to represent your class, come along and join the massed starts and prove your CA was wrong not to select you!



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Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 05 May 07 at 2:41pm

Have you had a response from the 29er's MM as Hannah and I would love to have a go if they dont find anyone quicker :-)

Ian



Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 06 May 07 at 8:13pm

Haven't actually asked them yet.  Just finalizing the SI's etc. before sending out the e-mail invitations.

But if the 29ers send along their top teams (other than yourselves, of course...), it'll be interesting to see how long your five-minute lead as part of the Grand Prix's massed start lasts before the 2oakers catch you!



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Posted By: Delta
Date Posted: 09 May 07 at 12:01pm

Just wondering if the 3000 class will have four entries to this event i.e. 2 x Laser 3000 & 2 x V3000,  or one of each?

Maybe the Vortex can have four entries as well?



Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 10 May 07 at 10:49pm

Not sure how that would affect the corporate image - it is the 3000 class, after all, and all types race together at opens. On the other hand, it could be interesting to see how they get on, which is half the fun of 2oak's.

I guess the Vortices would be entitled to with and without kite entries - if they can find two keen bods without kites, that is.

Maybe the Phantom class could have current boats and others that sail to the current PY? (we know who you are, Delta )



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Posted By: Delta
Date Posted: 11 May 07 at 7:44pm

I was being slightly mischievous about the number of 3000 types entering the 2OAK but I am assuming the purpose of such an event is to allow some comparison under the prevailing conditions on the day between classes and types that the dinghy world rarely see all together.

Will the results be useful handicap data to the RYA as many classes would be represented

Not sure I understand the Phantom reference. You may be sailing up the wrong creek.



Posted By: Porteous
Date Posted: 15 May 07 at 5:22pm

When are the invites going out ? will you invite the Tasar class

 

Rod Tasar 351



Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 15 May 07 at 6:52pm
And if Porteous is up for it his Tasar (rather than his Merlin or his Blaze)  I suppose we'd better come along with a couple of Blazes to remind him he really should spend be spending the money !

Blaze 720

 


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 15 May 07 at 8:33pm
Blaze 720 have you not seen Porteus is selling his Blaze...has he ordered a new one?

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 15 May 07 at 10:38pm

Invitations went out at the weekend, and yes the Tasar and Blaze were invited, along with every other class we could think of as fast or faster than a Mirror. You need to ask your class association to name you on the entry form if you want to be their 2oak representative.

If every class attends it could be a bit chummy in the dinghy park , but chances are (looking at the Boat Show Pursuit Race attendance) many won't due to clashing opens or whatever, and some may send just one boat, as it's the first boat in a class that determines the classes result.



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Posted By: Delta
Date Posted: 16 May 07 at 10:37am

Is it expected that the class associations will send their best sailors or nobody?

Say for instance the top "guys" in the Finn class are not available could a lesser mortal take their place even without class approval?

The attraction of an event like this for me is that no class can swamp another out of it by weight of numbers.

Are there any vantage points along the river where the action could be observed?

Do early sign-ups get any advantage?  



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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 17 May 07 at 6:20pm

It'd be great if it was a top sailor fest, but in principle classes can enter who they like. Only the CA's are getting the necessary entry forms, so if someone was keen to be the class rep they'd need to lobby their association.

The course is likely to be so vast that you won't be able to see it from one point, but Gillingham Pier/Strand would show some of the action. It's not really a spectator event though - unless somebody wants to lay on a spectator boat as they do for the 18ft Skiffs, complete with betting on the winning class!

What we perhaps didn't emphasise enough in the early publicity is that classes are not obliged to enter two boats - only one is strictly necessary as it's the first boat home which scores. But obviously with two boats you increase your chances.

Given that entry is free for the classes, it's hard to see what advantage we could give early sign-ups, unless you're suggesting a head start!



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Posted By: Porteous
Date Posted: 24 May 07 at 10:11pm

I am the class racing secretary for the Tasars, I nor any of the committee have received the information you say was sent out. I wish to race , can I turn up on the day  ie as committee member I can nominate myself! if not can you send details to mailto:r.porteous@portsmouthwater.co.uk - r.porteous@portsmouthwater.co.uk

 

Cheers Rod Tasar 351



Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 24 May 07 at 10:17pm

Just shows how class info on the web gets out of date - we sent invitations to two Tasar reps we found listed somewhere (I'll send you the details for info, Rod, along with the entry form). Be great to have the Tasars along - there used to be a fleet at Wilsonian.

Any other classes out there who haven't received an invite, please let me know - we didn't knowingly exclude anyone, and indeed tried to include everyone!



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Posted By: Porteous
Date Posted: 24 May 07 at 10:32pm

Thanks MM, all we need now is strong wind. We are always on the look out for good second hand Tasars  and have people waiting for the right boats. If you know of any tucked away with Wilsonian or Ex Wilsonian sailors any "leads"would be appreciated.

 

Rod




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