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Topic: Contender
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Subject: Contender
Date Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 9:49pm

Hi, I have just got myself a nice contender, in pretty good nick. Does anyone have any secret hints on getting tacks and gybes right. Also how can I find the sail number, as there is a build number on it.(Built in New South Wales), but the number on the sail is not right as it was brought as a second hand sail.

Cheers

Jp



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Jp Indoe
Contender 518
Buzz591
Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol



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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 11:11pm

Well done JP good choice - join the Contender group on Yahoo and you will find tips from the top sailors. Recently they have been giving tips to a newbie on how to trapeze.

What is the build number of the boat? You can contact the class secretary - I know he has a box with all the measurement certificates of UK boats. He can estimate your sail number from there if he does not have the exact boat. A question on the yahoo group may also get a response. The Aussies are pretty active on there, it is not just the Brits.



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Bonnie Lass Contender 1764


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 11:25pm

You could also mention, dear Contender443, that the plaque number is now recognised as a valid sail number. No need to obtain a GBR sail number any longer.

The plaque number on my boat is 150, which makes it pretty old indeed (but not quite as old as me).

Have a great time with your Contender, jp, and if you feel brave enough, you can always join Contender443 and the rest of the crowd at Medemblik for the 40th anniversary Worlds in July!



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Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 7:39am

At the mo. you still need a GBR sail number as well, otherwise the RYA sulk!  But a lot of boats are now using the plack number on the sail.

My tip would be get the mast set up right (plenty of rake with about 30mm of pre-bend, then pull 25mm of the bend out with the lowers) otherwise the boat will trip over in gusts.

Tacking comes with lots of practice, theres lots of different techniques in the fleet, but bottom line is you need to be the quickset to get on the new wire.

http://www.wavelengthdesigns.com/content/view/19/39/ - Plenty of advice from far better sailors than me on links below.

http://www.wavelengthdesigns.com/content/view/19/39/ - http://www.wavelengthdesigns.com/content/view/19/39/

http://www.sailcontender.org.uk/ - http://www.sailcontender.org.uk/

http://ica.contenderworld.de/ - http://ica.contenderworld.de/



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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:18am

Danish champ Soren makes it looks very easy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5341076536249820244&q=contender+denmark - HERE  



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:21am
It's all about assuming that press up position under the boom on the way through!

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:30am
tacking video - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5341076536249820244&q=contender+denmark - clicky

and loads more info here - http://contenderworld.de/int/newbie_help/newbie_index.html - clicky

or straight to the video page - http://contenderworld.de/den/video.html - clicky


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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Black no sugar

Danish champ Soren makes it looks very easy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5341076536249820244&q=contender+denmark - HERE  

Is he using some sort of stiff wand like contraption on the trapeze adjuster of make it easier to hook on?



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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 11:47am

Yes he is using something like this

http://contenderworld.de/int/newbie_help/trap_handle_den.html - http://contenderworld.de/int/newbie_help/trap_handle_den.htm l

It makes it easier to grab thae handle on the way out and hook on one handed once you are out of the boat. Nice if you can do it but I removed these from my boat.



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Posted By: E.J.
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 6:41pm

Soren's tacking is pretty impressive, I wonder why only a few of the British Contenders use this method?

It looks fast but it seems only a few Europeans use it to good effect.



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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 6:49pm

Agility and flexibilty, that's why. Not many sailors can be tall/heavy enough to handle the boat well in strong winds and be agile enough to fit under the boom if the kicker's only off a notch.
Tony White, highly esteemed and experienced Contender sailor, always says you recognise Contenderers because they have the main tower etched in their forehead. (my own experience tells me you also recognise them by their aptitude to ingest vast quantities of beer, curry and chocolate, and a desperate lack of dancing skills)

I think Soren's wasted on a Contender: he's ready for a Musto Skiff!



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Posted By: E.J.
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 8:36pm

I'm well aquainted with the tower! I know that quite a few Contenders have tried the method but have not seen the benefit over the more sedate but safe way.

maybe i'll give it a try. Tower on the buttock instead!!

 



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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 8:43pm
Impressive indeed.  Facing backwards would be a bit of a mental shift!  And what's he done with the main sheet through that?

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Javelin 558
Contender 2574


Posted By: E.J.
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 8:52pm

He just throws it across and picks it up on his way through, although its done so quickly you can't see it.

By crouching backward you get the main bulk of your body in the biggest gap i.e. closest to the tower, therefore you can squeeze on a bit more kicker and rake, which Contenders like.



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:09pm
Yes that guy is a little bit impressive!  Would have taken a lot of practise though!


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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:56pm

Can anyone see what he does with the main sheet?

And I don't understand the link that shows how his trapeze works. Can anyone interpret this picture?



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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry


Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 11:09pm
I think the right handside is the hook and left the bit attached to the mast, then the wierd thing is the adjustment and the bottom picture is the tube that goes over the bottom piece of rope which is used to help hook on??




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http://www.bu22.co.uk">BUZZING IS FUN



Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 11:29pm
Looks like he drops the mainsheet at about 30s in - it's not very clear as that area becomes pixellated just after but you can say the tension go. I haven't spotted him picking it up again though, it looks to be just left cleated all the way through. When I'm helming on the wire (though I've never sailed a contender) I tend to drop it just as I get into the boat then pick it up at the block again.
To me the diagram looks to be 2 bobbles, an adjuster cleat and a ring (ring on the left). I think the 56cm gap has a length of tubing over it, and that length is fixed, with the adjustment being on the section above it. On looking at the other pics it would appear that the 'bobbles' are actually the blocks to adjust the trapeze length.


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Weston SC


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 27 Apr 07 at 10:56am

Took the contender out yesterday for a spin, in a nice 3/4. Managed to stay up apart from once.

The build number is 368. So can I use this as the actual sail no.? As I said before it was built ion Australia. Also, to find the age, do I contact the class secretary?



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Jp Indoe
Contender 518
Buzz591
Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol


Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 9:56am

Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585

I think the right handside is the hook and left the bit attached to the mast, then the wierd thing is the adjustment and the bottom picture is the tube that goes over the bottom piece of rope which is used to help hook on??


Yeah, essentially the bit between the handle/adjuster and the ring you hook on to is made rigid by the tube so when you swing out you have some control over where the ring is and can move it to the most convenient place to hook on. You also get really good feedback that you are hooked on before commiting your weight to it.

I've tried wire to wire tacking - where you hang your body weight on your arm and unhook/hook on whilst on the rail - my upper body strength is just not good enough to support my lower body weight whilst also trying to steer/sheet.



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Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36


Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by Matt Jackson

I've tried wire to wire tacking - where you hang your body weight on your arm and unhook/hook on whilst on the rail - my upper body strength is just not good enough to support my lower body weight whilst also trying to steer/sheet.

I sort of tried it once, and unhooked before I came in.........Unfortunatly I also forgot to hang on to the handle  The word pillock (honest) was in my head before I hit the water



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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 10:02pm

Could someone remind me how to sail a Contender. I had my first sail in it today since September.  

Never tried the wire to wiring as my upper boidy strength is not up to it. I was struggling with the mainsheet today!!

I guess I have to get some practice in before I go to Holland.



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Bonnie Lass Contender 1764


Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 02 May 07 at 11:36pm

How stable is a Contender? A comparison would be useful.

How tall/heavy are you Contender sailors?

Thanks

 



Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 03 May 07 at 7:49am
Originally posted by Ross

How stable is a Contender? A comparison would be useful.

How tall/heavy are you Contender sailors?

Thanks

 

How stable - Certainly more stable than a laser, its just the idiot on the wire that has a tendency to make it look bad

How tall - Well I am 6'1 and 100kg (so a tall lard arse then)



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