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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: check this...
Posted By: allanorton
Subject: check this...
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 5:09pm
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http://www.monofoiler.com/seatrialphotos.htm - www.monofoiler.com/seatrialphotos.htm could be fast in some decent wind?! |
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Posted By: Noidea
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 5:14pm
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looks cool but it doesnt look as cool as a moth i guess theres just nothing quite like 12 inches of lunacy
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 5:20pm
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The AeroSkiff has been around for ages but any evidance of it actualy foiling has yet to surface... Doug Lord will be here shortly to explain all im sure... ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 5:34pm
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Might as well put some foils on a V3000, would probably go better..... (lighter without a suspect rig design and sail layout) ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 5:59pm
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That's just about the ugliest boat I've ever seen. Not the best of angles for the photos, but on the evidence here I'd say the sails look MILES too flat. Certainly the main. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 6:05pm
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rubbish, if you are going to do it do it properly and get a moth ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 6:07pm
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*cringes* Mr lord isnt going to be happy with more people sl*gging his toys! ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 6:10pm
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Think the idea is that the flat sails aid when the boat starts foiling and the apparent wind starts shifting forward as the low profile sails allow the boat to sail closer to the apparent wind as more is generated. However, you need to generate lift in the first place via a curved sail profile, so there's no point in having flat sails for high speeds if you can't get to the high speeds in the first place. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 6:54pm
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I'm guessing that guy is quite a yachty ... Why else would you put a backstay on a boat like that! How much does it weigh ... *checks site*
230 kg on foils ... Just get a moth ... By the time there is enough wind to get foiling, you wont have anyone else to race against!! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 6:58pm
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Never seen a boat with a "jib" the same height as the Main, plus its fully battened. ------------- |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 8:47pm
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I don't find it so ugly. Different, yes, but ugly, no. But if you think a Moth looks pretty, well then, I think see where you're coming from (but I'd say you'd just got used to it). In fact, I like the look of the hull, such as it is - surely he could have made it lighter? Probably a sight easier to sail than a Moth, too. Presumably the backstay is for getting adequate luff tension in that masthead jib. I do wonder how he plans to depower a masthead, fully-battened rig. Maybe that's why the sails are so flat: pre-depowered But then again, they don't look that flat in the sailing photos, do they? Don't hold out much hope for the 'main and jib end plates', but good for him for trying them out.
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Posted By: WildWood
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 9:52pm
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The bouyancy bags strapped to the wings are a 'niffty' idea. Should make it nice and comfortable. The guy should have gone the whole hog and taped an arm chair in the side and a wheel, like l'hydroptre: http://www.hydroptere.com/accueil/images/photos/2006/navigations/equipage/var/lang/FR/rub/76.html"> ------------- |
Posted By: skiffcrew
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 10:21pm
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is that a hydrofoil? that would be awsome to sail. |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 15 Mar 07 at 10:41pm
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Hydrofoil trimaran, on standby to break the 50-knot barrier - "L'Hydroptere" The thing is crazy, full stop. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 18 Mar 07 at 2:50pm
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http://www.hydroptere.com/index.php4?lang=EN - http://www.hydroptere.com/index.php4?lang=EN Probably been posted before but the front page video aalone is worthy of seeing again. Also - Doug Lords weird creation might be a bit heavy, but I reckon L'Hydroptere proves that whilst weight is very important, so is (controllable) power and stabiity! |
Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 21 Mar 07 at 8:28pm
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That AeroSkiff looks vaugeley like a fireball that's been butchered ------------- |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 22 Mar 07 at 10:30pm
Jeez! If I was on that thing I'd be strapping myself to the mast. If you fell off at those speeds you'd bounce quite a number of time and probably break every bone in yer body... then drown before they realised and came back for you. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 22 Mar 07 at 10:42pm
Thts my kinda cat 
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 22 Mar 07 at 10:54pm
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yer thats one nice looking pussy ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 22 Mar 07 at 11:16pm
Too much cofee mr boughton 
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 12:36am
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yer am on a super coffee high, only another 2 hours till i go to pick my girlfriend up.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 9:00am
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Lots of sl*gging off of the foiler on this string. Have any of the people who have made the comments actually ever designed and built any sort of boat at all, even one designed to float, not fly, or maybe just be paddled around a duck pond, and not even sail? As the saying goes, Those who can, do, those who can't, become critics. It is difficult to design a boat which is a development of those which have gone before it, just tweaking ideas to make it go a little faster (ie, how Cherubs and 14s are generally designed) it is far harder to design one which "breaks the mould". And in 99% of cases it will fail. BUT the 1% give us such things as planing boats and hydrofoiling trimarans doing 40+ knots, so it is good that people are out there willing to experiment, isn't it, dispite many people on this forum thinking that a boat is good if it conforms to what is currently fast? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 9:57am
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Well said Rupert. I concur. Good points well made.
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Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 9:58am
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I cant think of many/any "mould breaking" boats off the top of my head
(Jim?!), but the one thing you cannot do is ignore what works. This is what Doug appears to have missed and tried to make a boat with different everything on board. He has then tried to publicise the fact that it works, with no visible evidence and that it is going to revolutionise sailing for everyone. (I can see why everyone has either fallen over laughing or put their backs up) All the designers I know wont try and make that sort of claim, they just get on quietly improving things... Like the 45 knot trimaran that has been around for nearly 20 years and has been rebuilt 5 times! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 11:03am
Although Andy Paterson will tell you that's what he did when he designed the first Axeman Moth... That it was a clean sheet of paper without reference to what was currently successful. There's always an exception. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 12:19pm
Far closer to the 'push around a duck pond' analogy than the hydrofoiling trimaran but il let you know how our 70cm RC yacht goes after easter. Im told Ive been a little 'unconventional' with my design aproach... ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 23 Mar 07 at 4:25pm
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I have designed a foiler for Weymouth Speed week for my University, and through the processes of design which we carried out, can make comment on the Aero-skiff as it is too heavy and underpowered to perform as claimed. The design which I worked on performed very well when we put the numbers into the performance prediction programmes and was sea worthy in canoe body form when we simulated it in Maxsurf VPP. The reason that I commented on the Aero Skiff is that if you do the maths, it simply doesn't add up to what it's claiming. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 07 at 2:30pm
When you take a historical view its amazing what has been considered to be ugly in the past... The J Class, for instance, were considered ugly when they came out, hard as it is to believe now... Things that work well have a habit of coming to be regarded as good looking... |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 26 Mar 07 at 4:28pm
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mines bigger than yours im in the process of building a 1m RC trimaran but i dont think it will be ready any time soon. i have got 1 hull made though and a mould for the other two (since christmas). ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Chas 505
Date Posted: 26 Mar 07 at 9:43pm
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Back to the massive looney french hydrofloiler thing.. Presumably if you fall overboard, that's it.....I guess you're looking at about a fortnight to slow the thing down, and then turn it around in waves. Suppose the only other safety issue is finding a chase boat fast enough to pick up the pieces if it ever cartwheels...!! Of course, that would never happen in the UK, because some health and safety bod would put paid to it...!! Vive la France - completely potty......
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 07 at 9:54pm
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Don't quote me on it but think it says they've done a bit of sailing on the solent with her on the website...... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |