I14 Weights
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Topic: I14 Weights
Posted By: hollandsd
Subject: I14 Weights
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 5:43am
| I have an international 14 1359 and it says on the measurement certifiate thata there is 7Kg of lead weights in the hull, does anyone have any idea where they are and how to remove them? The boat is now overweight and by removing the weitghts it will be the correct weight again. |
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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 8:55am
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I would guess close to the dagger board, check around the hatches.in Boot of the car is the best place for lead. you could also save weight, with lighter or tappered ropes, fittings possible over complicated systems have a look at some new boats for ideas, carbon racks? I14's are normally quite well optimised but its worth weighing all the parts of your boat to see if you can save any weight, checking for possible gear failure while your at it. It might just be damp, dry it out in the living room 7kg over weight isnt the end of the world may be its built strong so it wont break,Rig setting will make a bigger difference, sail the boat flatter and go faster. Hope you find the lead for the quick solution. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 10:47am
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Dont forget if you do remove your correctors you may need to get the boat re-measure and a new certificate issues otherwise some unsporting person will protest.
------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 12:11pm
| If you get on the 14 mailing list then you might find a previous owner or measurer who knows where the lead is... |
Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 1:46pm
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Or try asking at http://www.international14.org/forum/ - http://www.international14.org/forum/ Mike |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 3:07pm
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The howlett 1b had them under the cover that went around the dagger board and back to the mainsheet jammer. I think your boat is a turner built morrison 7. If it has coving over the daggerboard slot try under there. ------------- |
Posted By: spin cycle
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 10:28pm
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the lead may of been taken out but the boat has not been reweighed officially since the class has dropped its min weight since your boat was built. i have found that at pow they weigh boats remove lead or if unlucky add lead to meet class min weight but don't up date certs. the main reason is due to to tolerance of balances and conditions and time. I know that the uk measurers at the nats want to get their own boat sorted and go drinking rather than update paper work. speak to a friendly measurer and get you boat weighed then take stens suggestion. If your boati is still a peni the old weight may apply check the class website and rules about that. Gav H
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Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 10:42pm
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As the other member of the crew I know the boat is heavy as it is a converted penultimate. Its measurement certificate shows it has been weighted as a penultimate so would be overweight. We are purly interessted in TASA events so remeasuring may not be an issue. There is a cover to the daggerboard slot so will have a look there. |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 10:54pm
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if ur sailing it under a converted peni handicap then it is over weight by alot as the weight for a penni is arround 80kgs i think. and a current is 74kgish ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 11:12pm
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Hence our need to find that lead! If there is 7kg lurking somewhere it should bring it out about the right weight. Give or take a bit of water!! |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 24 Feb 07 at 6:17am
| Exactly, with that extra 7kg removed, it will be much easier to move the boat about. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 24 Feb 07 at 7:55pm
But surely sailing a boat that is underweight is against tasa rules ?? Otherwise the handicap would have to be adjusted ------------- |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 24 Feb 07 at 8:48pm
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Yep because if it doesn't conform to I-14 rules, it isn't an I-14.
------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Franco
Date Posted: 24 Feb 07 at 9:17pm
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You will be lucky if you get a penultimate 14 down to the current rules (74.25kg) even if you do the boat would not be competitive to the current handicap. Strictly speaking you should have the boat re-weighed by a 14 measurer. If you have not allready found your lead, I would expect it has allready been removed probably when it was converted to the new rules, and not remeasured at that time. |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 24 Feb 07 at 10:09pm
Looking at my boat's (GBR1333) history in her docs, this is exactly what happened when she was modified. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 25 Feb 07 at 6:43pm
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You could always go to your local tool hire shop and hire a metal detector for the afternoon to locate the lead. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 25 Feb 07 at 7:01pm
As I said it is a converted penultimate. The current rules have reduced the minimum weight. I dont belive the lead has been removed as there is no mention on the certificate. The boat just remains overweight.
There should not be an issue class rules wise as the boat will still be overweight without the lead.
The metal detector sounds a good idea! |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 12:31pm
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but surely a metal detector will not have the pin point accuracy your looking for as you boat (esp. a 14) is covered with metal fixings..... ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 6:23pm
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Can you not adjust the sensitivity of a detector?
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 6:49pm
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Or just not detect obviously metal parts on the boat, if they are causing that much difficulty with the scanner, remove them, then scan the bear hull. If you are going to cut chunks out of a hull to remove lead, removing fittings isn't that difficult a job in comparison. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 7:40pm
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You may find when they converted your boat and made it wider. They my have taken the lead out as they were putting lots more weight into making the boat a few inches wider . it is not like they just pulled the racks out one more hole! ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |