Righting a 49er
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Topic: Righting a 49er
Posted By: owain
Subject: Righting a 49er
Date Posted: 14 Jan 07 at 11:41pm
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We turtled the 9er today out in plymouth, and were having real issues righting it, the whole thing ended with me being taken to hospital in a ambulance with mild hyperthermia and concussion!! Our main problem was that when we did eventually right it, by the time we scrambled aboad, the rig powered up and we went swimming again! this process wen on for about a hour. anyone got any suggestions, as i dont want 2 spend another day in Derreford hospital tryin to gain feeling in my arms and legs!! ------------- Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club |
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 12:07am
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That makes BBSC Faithfull's little mishap today pale into insignificance... ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 12:35am
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I've only sailed the 49er once but I found with the 800 it helped to have one person hanging on near the front so the boat tries to lie head to wind while the other one gets in quick and is then able to help balance the boat again. Getting back in over the stern was possible but you had to be quick if it was breezy to avoid the boat bearing away too quickly. Were you both trying to get in simultaneously? Hope you're feeling better now! Suprised you managed to get too hot  ------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 9:39am
Trick is not to capsize owain you big wetty, If you had the kite up it would of been more stable downhill. I also cant beleve you got hyperthermia with all that hair!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 11:43am
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I found a similar issue with the 29er, the main thing is to get the thing head to wind. But it can also help to have someone on the other side holding onto the trapeze handle to pull it back down as it comes up and starts to go over the pther side. ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 1:39pm
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Owain, its Dennis on Kita's account, we've got a method pretty much like the scoop method when we capsize the boat. From total inversion, best to pop the wing up and let the wind get under it to lift the boat back on its side. Kita then swims round and is scooped in the boat when I right it from the board. Saves so much time, will explain to you and Chris the way we do it better the next time we see you. We've used the method when its been blowing above 25knots with no difficulties, although you do have to be quick jumping over the gunwhales from the board. Hope you're feeling better now. We're sailing in our dry-suits for the next while as I did the same thing as you when I had the 5000. ------------- 49er 908 |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 6:16pm
| Owain, If you have enough weight to scoop, then follow dennis's instructions. If not, or if you have a lot of tide holding submerged wing under, then get both of you on the board. As the boat comes upright get your crew to step over the gunwhale and run between the mast and the jib leech to balance the boat. If you've brought it up too quick then they may need to run through to the other side and hang onto the shroud. If your quick you can follow into the boat, or if your slow haul yourself in over the wing as it hits the water and get your crew to balance the boat. The only time I ever had a big problem righting her was when I snapped the top mast and came up quicker than I expected !! |
Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 6:21pm
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ye our main problem was that we would run across the boat between the mast and the jib, but by the time we got across, it was to late, the swell didnt really help either. ------------- Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 6:46pm
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Only sailed a 49er once, and that was in light winds so not sure if this will work or not.... Are you able to use the classic RYA 'scoop' method where the helm rights the boat from half way while the crew is lying in the boat waiting for it to go upright? Then the crew is able to steady the boat while the help gets on? Edit: Sorry Kasey, didn't read your post first  ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 8:47pm
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Right the boat with crew or helm submerged by a wing and then right the boat with them on it and then get them to climb up. Meanwhile you get in by the mast and BNS atleast our mast is still in one piece!
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 15 Jan 07 at 9:33pm
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Ooooooohhh that's mean... at least, I didn't get wet! ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 16 Jan 07 at 12:18am
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get the kicker off asap and try to swim the bow round. also if the crew goes to the middel of the boat and graps the leward trap wire and grab the tiler and waits for the helm to pull it up( not sure u can do this in a 49er) then when it comes up it slows the rise and u have stearing and the main just twists off. on the 14 first thing we do is to dump the kicker then just run as fast as we can to hit the wires and if it is breezy then we try to get the tiller and controle it just like a water start on aboard ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 07 at 12:36am
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Getting the first person off the board on in front of the mast to balance the boat and run for a trap handle if nessicary while the second person (either getting scooped or also off the board depending on whether you need 2 to right her) scrambles for the tiller and main always makes things easier. It doesnt matter who goes for what as you can swap back once theres some presure in the rig and your not going to fall in again. Kicker off as a few people have said makes a big difference too.
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 16 Jan 07 at 12:43am
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the musto guys all haul there cunningham on hard. really hard! helps make the sail loose water easier and takes some power outa it. ------------- 
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 16 Jan 07 at 6:34pm
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No matter how windy it is, using the wind to right the boat, ie push the windward wing up, then rig, is the most effective way to right the 49er. Having the crew scooped whilst the boat is righted, means all control lines etc are let off, they are able to control the helm and you can get back sailing quicker. Granted you have to get in the leeward side, but at least you are working with the wind and not against it to right the boat. Never sent a crew to the front to hold the bow into the wind, too much hassle and never seems to work with the 49er and as the 49er is righted, it naturally screws up into the wind. Key thing is getting both crew and helm ready to sail as quickly as possible as 49ers don't do stationary. Someone has mentioned on the 49er site that they find this method best, and Ian Walker (I think) recommended the method many moons ago in y&y. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 10:57pm
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Having only just started sailing a 49er a couple of months ago, we have found that the crew (normally the heavier out of the 2) stays holding the daggerboard whilst the helm jumps in to the boat and runs to the otherside balencing the boat. The crew who gets very wet slows the rate at which the boat comes up right and acts like a keel. If the boat stays up right then they just come out from under the boat to the windward side, then tip the boat on top and they get on the wing. Alternatively if the boat capsizes again they are already on the daggerboard and the helm can just step on to the board to right it. It works almost everytime in over 20 knots and all the time in less. also mega important in the 49er is pulling the jib in when u capsize otherwise you could end up snaping all your battens, you pull the jib in then uncleat it. And do this before you pull the kite in if have capsized with the kite up. ------------- 49er GBR5 http://www.teamfletcherandsign.co.uk - teamfletcherandsign.co.uk Team Fletcher and Sign campaign site |