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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: Questions about
Posted By: kapro
Subject: Questions about
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 1:37pm
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Hello, We're students in Transportation Design in France, in Valenciennes (ISD). We're working on a project of sailing ship with the company WRIGHTON. We would need to have data on the market of navigation in England. Types of navigations, durations of trips etc. Numbers of days inboard, kind of navigations... Thank you all ; )  This project is followed by Mr Richard WRIGHTON and Mr THIOUT. We visited the building site near Bethune in France... It's a real and concrete project to make the new BILOUP 07'... Thanks Christophe & Ben. |
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 5:37pm
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Salut Christophe, salut Ben, Ce forum de discussion est surtout dévolu aux dériveurs et à la voile légère. L'une des sections est consacrée aux quillards, mais les membres de ce forum qui vont sans doute vous répondre se retrouvent régulièrement dans l'eau ! En général, les déplacements en mer (ou dans l'eau de vaisselle qu'ils appellent leurs lacs) effectués par les membres de ce forum se limitent à une ou deux heures par semaine, suivies de quatre ou cinq au bar... Bonne chance dans vos études, xxx BnS ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 7:08pm
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Did you use a translator or can you really speak french that well?
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 7:11pm
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i know the last bit is good luck with your studies and i know the first bit is something like this is a sailing forum. but the rest is too confusing at the moment. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 7:16pm
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Yep, I'm getting by in French...
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 7:17pm
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Just found out but didn't have time to edit oops  ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: javelin_53
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 8:55pm
Only just though eh BnS??
Guys how could you ! ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 10:06pm
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 10:20pm
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Not sure if thats supposed to be funny or not !!
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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 10:33pm
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 10:36pm
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Posted By: kapro
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 11:38pm
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I know that this topic is about light navigation. 420 470, laser etc... and I know very welle these, but what I wanna know, is the kind of navigation exerced in england. More precisely, how many days, if it's for pleasance or more technic, to express a need to navigate in the wind out of the coasts etc... We need for this project with Mr WRIGHTON, to have more datas about english market, english navigations types, etc... I thank you all, and speak english here is not a problem at all, speak english guys ;) Benjmain. |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 11:48pm
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Benjamin, Please dont think I am being rude but where you say "the type of navigation" do you mean the type of sailing. I know the french word for sailing is the same or close but "navigation" for us is finding your way from on place to another (BNS help me out on this, I cant spell in French either) PS. If you want to, post both the french and english text. At least it would force most of us to think a bit
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 12:10am
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well, to start with Ben you need to understand the term "SMOD" (strict manufacturer's one design) SMOD sales possibly account for 99% of the present day UK sailing dinghy market ........ SMOD means every boat must be to a manufacturer's specification to be race legal, in theory ensuring performance is based purely on the sailors' skill, taking out the effect of differences in equipment (except for a bit of manufacturing variability) it also ensures that the major builders maintain a monopoly on spares supply for their products at vastly inflated prices, a good marketing ploy ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 12:23am
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Yes Offshoretiger, you're right. "Navigation" here means sailing, and "light" means dinghy sailing. As for "kind of navigation exerced in england", which output do you expect from this forum, kapro? I don't think this is the right place to collect statistics; you're going to meet a horde of "adolescents frétillants" who are going to wax lyrical on the endless days they've spent on the water. I hope you don't expect objective reports here! However, there will be other members who might have enough time on their hands to search for statistics, or at least point you in the right direction. Even if they exist, I'm not entirely convinced that type of statistics would be accurate across the spectrum of British dinghy sailors. Many people don't belong to a club, don't race and sail the boat their grandad pinned and glued together in the sitting-room, in 1961! Difficult to keep track... Still, most active forum members here will be happy to help you in your project, even if it's another way of reviving the old "my-boat's-better-than-yours" playground bickering. Best of luck in your project. For any translation problem, don't hesitate to ask (I speak a bit of French and I can manage in English too...) A plus ! xxx BnS ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 7:45am
Perhaps the RYA might be worth trying. I assume they must either conduct research or refer to it.
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Posted By: kapro
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 8:40am
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Thanks all. You're right! Saying 'kind of navigation' I would say "sailing" ^^ I'll look at this! ;) If one day you come infrance, I've got a sailing club near Arcachon on the lake of Sanguinet. The World A-Class championship is every year organised here...and hobie cat regatas etc...you're welcome ;) Merci beaucoup les gars. Ce que je cherche, c'est de savoir combien de jours en général les "Papy boomers" qui utilisent des bateaux de 9m habitables style Jeanneau, Dufour, RM ou autre mettent pour leur virées en mer au large des cotes anglaises. Le temps est moins clément que sur la cote atlantique, donc peut etre que ca veut dire qu'il y a des contraintes de pluie, de vent etc plus importantes etc. Cela nous permettra de déterminer précisément les points importants de la navigation anglaise typique... merci encore Ben |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 9:02am
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Is Arcachon the one near an aqua land as it sounds familiar, near biscarosse? ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 4:16pm
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what are "papy boomers"??? ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 5:43pm
Mate, it's easy with google..  "Thank you very much the guy. What I seek, it is to know how much days in general the “Grandpa boomers” which use livable boats of 9m Jeanneau style, Dufour, RM or other put for their transfered at sea at broad of the English dimensions. Time is less lenient than on the Atlantic dimension, therefore can be that Ca wants to say that there are constraints of rain, of wind etc more important etc That will enable us to precisely determine the important points of typical English navigation." |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 5:46pm
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somehow it makes less sense now ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 6:10pm
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yes, i hate google translator, just gives such literal translation and
often takes all meaning out of things. I understood all he was
saying apart from the papy boomers bit.
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 6:11pm
Ah well, that's it: crystal clear, I'm out of a job... ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 6:20pm
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------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: kapro
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 12:05pm
Yes, It's in Sanguinet, near arcachon and Biscrosse.  To express beter myself about this project, here is a photo of a typical "grand-pa boomers ^^", in order to illustrate our clients.  60 years old approximatly... Global market in pleasance sailing. 9 meters long. Do you know some english persons who do regulary sailing in Manche near the english coasts, and the duration of their saling? 1,2,3 days? Personaly, I've got a little Jeanneau (5.60m long) and it's a soft sailing boat to visit the britany's coats, but I never stay more than an afternoon inbord... I've got a small 4.35 La prairie to make more sportive regatas ^^. What is interesting us today is the 9m sailing near the english coast...  (not any datas about this market and the users...even with my questions asked at the "route du rhum" at home, in britany.... :p)Thanks for your interest. (english is easier to speak than to write corrrectly )Ben |
Posted By: wetndry
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 2:24pm
Oy! Whose pond are you referring to as 'dishwater'? 
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 5:24pm
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Teeeheee... I wondered how long it would take until someone picked it up ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 5:55pm
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bonjour Bns
ÄãºÃBns (google is fab! ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 8:10pm
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Kapro, my dad is nearly 50 and takes us on the cruiser (sadler 29, think its about 9m) any weekend he can. we stay onboard the whole weekend. in the holidays we sometimes go to france or to the west country for a few weeks. so we stay onboard anywhere from a day to 3 weeks. and god is it boring. is this what you wanted to know? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: kapro
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 11:35am
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Yes Thanks. It's nearly equal to french sailing. A few days inboard etc...ok! The Sadler 29 is a "Bilge keels"? i don't know if these are the good word ...:) Other question: You d'on't find the Chat table too small generally? ^^ |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 5:15pm
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yes the sadler does have bilge keels but some boats are fitted with fin keel and ive seen one with a tandem keel. the chart table is fine for the charts we have. but i think you can get bigger charts than the ones we use, im not sure. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: kapro
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 5:27pm
| Yeah ok. We'll think to make a bigger... :p |