GPS?
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: GPS?
Posted By: 29er397
Subject: GPS?
Date Posted: 31 Oct 06 at 6:30pm
Is it? And can someone please explain why? Do you mean al GPS devices? Or are there only certain types that are banned? Fergus ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 31 Oct 06 at 7:11pm
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Some of those fancy watches also have a barometer - are they permitted? Rick ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 5:06pm
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i didn't think any sort of gps's were banned. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 5:17pm
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I think in some classes (National 12 springs to mind) they are banned because they can show VMG. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 5:20pm
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Talking of VMG... Has anyone found out any more about the velocitek compasses. They've got a new model out (S10) which has got a usb connection so you can download into gpsanlayser and google earth. The website says free shipping to the UK but do you have to pay import duty on them? ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 5:26pm
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I was just looking at their website. They look really cool. I want one. Shame they don't have a UK dealer. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 5:47pm
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I am getting one i think, should be in the next few weeks
. A guy at my club is going to america on business and is buying them
while he is there to avoid the extra costs of import rubbish. I will report back on how i think it is, and how the other guy is finding it. Will be used on a 600 and 49er. That is the reason i asked wether GPS banned by some classes, as it would be very expensive not to be able to use it! ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 7:43pm
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I think it depends on the class rules whether gps is banned or not. For the same sort of reason why different types of tacktick compasses are allowed and others are not. $300 works out at something like £170 so they're cheaper than the tacktick micro compasses and you get alot more for your money. Apparantly, if a US company sends an item marked as a "sample", the import duty doesn't apply! ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 8:56pm
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49er rules C2.2 (d) Maximum two compasses with brackets, removable for weighing. Electronic compasses with functions beyond heading and timing are prohibited." RS600 rules 1.3.6 Any compass, timing device or a combination of both may be fitted provided that it/they can only provide information relating to A) the boat’s heading and B) current or elapsed time |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 9:58pm
Does that make a speedometer device illegal to race with? Trying to get around this rule somehow There must be loads of sailors breaking these rules without even realising it.
------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Hobbo
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 11:33pm
Suppose it depends on whether you think anyone is going to protest you or not...
------------- Contender GBR 362 Osprey 1318 - IVplay SSC |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 9:23am
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They've got what???
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 9:49am
Freudian slip ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 02 Nov 06 at 10:26am
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In a lot of classes, whatever is not permitted is banned. So in such classes, if GPS is not on a list of permitted equipment, you can't use it. |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:18pm
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Earlier this year, i noticed that one of the boats at my club had a garmin 201 strapped to their boom... Can you protest boats in this position as they are in breach of class rules? ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:36pm
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Depends on the class ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:44pm
Surely you should just concentrate on what you are doing? And not what someone got strapped to their boom? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:45pm
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29er has closed rules and anything not mentioned is prohibited. Non-programmable electronic compases are allowed but I would judge that the 201 falls outside that category so they would be illegal on 29er. Judge for yourself, though, whether this is really worth the protest committee's time. At a major regatta on a large course, I can see the advantage that GPS could give. Club racing less so. The chances are the sailors of that 29er are just trying to see how fast they are going. If they are beating you then I would argue it is something other than GPS that is doing it for them. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:50pm
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I sail with one -- sometimes , as said above its only for amusement after the event , peak speeds etc , most useful function in a race would be the electronic compass , but if strapped too boat too far away to see . not worth worrying about .
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Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 1:54pm
What? When taking the trolley up the slip??? ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: lozza
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 2:01pm
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The point i'm trying to make is that if people are using gps during races when their class rules clearly prohibit such items, they have gained an unfair advantage over their competitors and should be open to protests. ------------- Life's a reach, then you gybe |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 5:55pm
| I used to take mine out in my N12, and although they are explicitly banned by the class rules I used to just attach it to the tiller facing downwards so I couldn't actually read it while sailing. At least going with the spirit of the rules if nothing else.... |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 8:47pm
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I have searched the internet looking for answers and have failed to find them... I don't know why I didn't start looking here as I am sure someone can help... What is the difference between the Garmin Foretrex 101 and the 201? All that I can find is that the 201 is rechargeable whereas the 101 uses AAA batteries. Is that the only difference? The 101 is roughly £50 cheaper so I am a little wary! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 9:33pm
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I think the 101 doesn't have any kind of output to interface with anything else. Didn't think the price difference was that much though..
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 9:35pm
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Can get the 101 on ebay from a number of dealers for £72 and the 201 is around £130 from most dealers. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 11:40pm
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Fair point, when I was looking I think the 201 was going for £90-100 on ebay. There don't seem to be any for sale on there at the moment though. ------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 7:22am
The 101 does have a port to output from, but unlike the 201 it doesn't come with a cable, so if you want to link it to your computer you need to go out and buy the lead. As far as i could tell the differences between the 101 and 201 were that the 201 has rechargeable batteries and a lead to link it the computer, personally i bought a 101 and have had no issues using it. ------------- Finn GBR 657 - Blown It Laser 164635 Planet Earth: 30% Land, 70% race course! |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 4:24pm
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had 201 two years , battery still very good , software to expensive to buy if you only want print out of speeds , haven't found any free full packages on internet , but prob my incompetance ,
but who needs printouts when rs300 can do 24 knotts , nearly sold my cat and bought one , apart from fact i would sink it !! got the Velocitek, only used once , very waterproof !!!.
got a usb connection ,plugged it into pc and got very strange photo in google earth (which it works with) , turned out I was looking at track of someone walking round factory in Thailand (or wherever) where unit was built , and they hadn't cleared memory . it also works with another programm which shows tracks speeds and will playback over maps , couldn't suss that one with my dim brain , but at that point didn't realise I was looking at the track of its birth in asia !
fri afternoons eh , tik tik tik .
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Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 5:32pm
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Software to get the GPX format out of the 201 is very cheap, I think I paid in
the region of £5 for a program called Link2GPS for my Macintosh, cant believe there isnt anything free out there in PC land. Then using GPS Action Replay to get averages and track log displays, which is free. A USB to serial adapter can be found for less than £10 on ebay... If you are spending £100 on a GPS, its hardly a big price to pay! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 6:35pm
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Try this, works with my Etrex:- http://www.gpstm.com/ - http://www.gpstm.com/ There is also a limited number of maps available at this site, digital maps hard to find for free. and it has a google earth interface. .....oh, and its free |